I am opening a thread for questions and possibly answers to the latest CDC league setup.

My first question is..... It's stated in the "league notice" area of the CDC web page that the weekly fees are $4 per person per week whether present or not. If you only have 5 players on your team, is your weekly "Team Fee" $20 ? Thus 4 players = $16? and 6 players = $24 ???

Yes.

My team has played for the last 2 1/2 years with between 7 and 8 players on the roster at all times because we are all on the east side, some of us as far east as Ashtabula County. Basically the new setup makes playing CDC financially unrealistic for us. To pay $28 to $32 a week to play darts just doesn't make sense. Hopefully whatever it was you were trying to accomplish by making this change is worth the support the league will be losing. I have unfortunately already put in my roster for the fall which I will probably be withdrawing once I speak with a few more of my teammates.

EastsiderTony,

Does your bar pay for your weekly fees? Because when looking at the total fees for playing darts, keep in mind that many of the fees have actually been decreased or eliminated. The Bar Affiliation fee, which was previously $50, has been eliminated. And the Annual Membership fees have been reduced from $25 to $20.

In my team's case (we'll have 5 players), our bar (which pays all of our weekly fees), will actually pay less than in prior years. The weekly fees for a 5-player team is $20/week, or $280 for the whole season, which is slightly less than this past season.

But in your case, you raise a good point. I'm not sure what the intent of charging weekly fees on a "per player" basis is, but like I said, in many cases it will result in a decrease in overall fees.

For a 5 player team that's great, but in our case it is $392 to play a season. Yes, in the past our bar paid our fees. Unfortunately, due to the increase the bar is no longer willing to pay. After talking it over as a team last night we decided we would no longer be fielding a team in the CDC. The fees for us to play CDC have actually gotten higher than to put together a bowling team where the bowling alley actually has to maintain the lanes. We have in the past enjoyed playing in a league where we didn't have the responsabilities we all have in our home league, being that almost all of us serve in some official capacity or another. It's too bad we will no longer be able to continue. I will be contacting the office today to pull our roster that I had turned in prior to hearing of the new rules.

EastsideTony,

Don't forget that over half of all weekly fees get paid back (either cash awards or banquet/awards). If you finish in first, you'll receive $250, so actually it would cost you less than $150 in your case.

Hope you guys reconsider. Was looking forward to playing you guys this season.

Tony,

I realize paying $28 per week (because you have a 7 player team instead of 5-6) seems like a big increase from the $24 per week last year. But, as Jeff pointed out, Membership is going down $5 per player per year and the bar no longer has to pay the $50 annual bar membership fee.

So, based on a 7 player team, overall, playing one session there is a $29 savings over last year. (For the average 5-6 player team, its a bigger savings.) If your team plays both halfs (because you see the membership savings the first half), the grand total for 2 sessions is only an increase of $27 (or $3.86 per player).

So, I guess what I'm saying is that if the bar cuts a check for EXACTLY what they paid last season, it would cost each of your 7 players $28.86 per year (which includes their $20 membership). That $8.86 per player amounts to 32 CENTS per week per player. (I bet when you play on Wednesday nights it costs more than $0.32 per player per week!!!)

AND, weekly fees are just that, WEEKLY FEES, you pay every week, not just the first 7 weeks like in the past. (Treasurer, Paul Hansen, please correct me if this is not what you told me Tuesday night!!!! :P)

And, as Jeff said, there's the prize money and team tournament money.

I really hope you guys reconsider, I really was looking forward to seeing you a couple of Monday nights this fall.

There's also the fact that we were seriously considering playing fall and not winter because of some commitments some of us had elsewhere. If I'm not mistaken, that would mean we would forfiet any winnings from fall? Basically I told my team the whole situation and they said no. I'll try again, but it doesn't look good. I can see the math, the problem lies where I have to try to explain the the bar owner why in the last year he has gone from giving me $40/ week (to account for away weeks) to $56/ week and I can see his point. He has partners he has to get this stuff past as well.
The bottom line is I can see a lot of situations where this new system is going to hurt teams. Teams like ours where everyone can't show up every week, Teams that would have otherwise put a less experienced darter or 2 on the roster to "bring them along and show them the ropes" will be less likely to do so. I think this also opens things up for "the competition" to step in and take a bigger chunk of the teams. I think some of the recent changes in the CDC that I have heard about were long over due but I think this part of it was a mistake that is going to hurt.

You make very good points Eastsider. I'm sure the BOD will take note of any feedback they get, positive or negative, and hopefully make any changes that will improve the overall quality of our leagues.

I think I am in agreement with you that a lot of the changes occurring were long overdue. And I think these changes will, over the long-term, prove to be beneficial. But as with any restructuring, there will be a transition period that may not always go as smoothly as everyone would like. But the bottom line is that a lot of overhead is being removed. Rent expense will be virtually eliminated, and our payroll cost will be reduced significantly. This will provide the CDC with the ability to make improvements to all aspects of our Club - Leagues, Trails, All-Star Team, future tournaments, etc. But with the reduction of overhead and personnel, it was necessary to simplify the overall league structure and formats accordingly. There are some aspects that I am not entirely happy with, but I do understand the need to shake things up a bit and see how things go.

In the meantime, keep giving your feedback.

A QUESTION THAT POPPED INTO MY MIND WHILE READING THIS WAS lets say you have 8 players on your roster, but only 4 show up. do you pay 32 for the week or 16 dollars? and what happens in case of forfeit? i will be interested to know these answers.
jon
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Here is another point that was brought up last night at Trails....The payouts are the same regardless of the amount of money that the team puts in....So a team of 8 is going to net profit less than a team of 5 if both would win in their division. I think I read somewhere (and my nubmers may be off) that a team of 7 will pay 392 in fees and the 5 person team pay 280 in fees, but the payout to them would be the same structure....Is that correct?

Jon,

From what I read in the rules, if a person is on the roster they must pay each week whether they are present or not.

Hope you are doing well.

Tony,

No offense but I would like to know what bowling league cost less than $4 a person. My wife bowls at brookgate lanes and pays $11 a night.

But you still bring up great points. :D

Some of these questions have been addressed on the Winter League page.....

http://www.darter.org/wl0000.htm

Based on what I've read, I don't see very many positives for the individual darter. I see where it will potentially lower the cost for a tavern that pays all the fees for a 4-5 person team...and I'm all for being fair to the taverns, but for the individual darter, especially the bronze and low silver where teams are fluid and people jump in and drop out session to session this is a bad change. In order to get prize money a team has to play in both sessions....the whole team? the majority of a team? I haven't been on one team yet where it has styed exactly the same session to session. If I play on one team and win it all in the fall, and then I play on a different team in the winter and we win that session....do I get paid for both?? It's not supposed to be this hard....We play 12 week sessions that should be mutually exclusive..if not, make it two halves with a "throw off" between the two half champions....and least that would make sense. The last thing I'll say about the $$ is that you can't say that the payout is more than the other league becasue there is no definite payout....it is true that if I win both sessions I'll make $30 extra bucks each session, but is it worth risking my fall payout $220 to gain $30....NOPE.

The new format isn't very good either....I was glad to see that silly Team Cricket game removed, but three team 01 games??? Isn't that just a LITTLE excessive?? Add a few more doubles games or something. Is Gold playing the same format as Silver and Bronze? I'm moving up to silver this year, but I would imagine the Gold darters are really not going to like the format.

Just my two cents...I don't care for whom my team plays, I just like to go throw, but if our captain asks me my opinion, as the it stands today I like the format and payout of the other league better.

Oh yeah...and what happens to the prize money if a team that wins the fall doesn't play in the winter? Is it rolled into the winter prize money?

I was at trails the other night talking about the prize money per person break down and how it doesn't make sense to me...if we pay in per person it should payout per person....it's the only way to keep it equitable.

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Anyone can correct me if I am wrong. It seems the payback to a team is handled by the captain. So if a player on a team drops out after the first session and the captain picks up a new player it is up to the captain to pay the players back individually.

Now my only questions are how many people can be lost and replaced from the first session to the second session and still be considered the same team?(as far as qualifying for payouts go) and can the team change captains and still be considered the same team?

Dennis- I don't think that it is meant about the payouts among players who have dropped from the team...it is a matter that a team who has 5 people on it who's team fee is $280 gets the same amount payout (what was the number? $650 or something like that if you win both sessions and an additional something else??) as the team with 7 players paying $392 in fees....so the five player team the winnings would be $130/player whereas the the seven player team is $92.86...for accomplishing the same feat.....This is especially unfair to a team like eastsidetony who needs to have that many people on the team to ensure 4 or 5 a week bc of distance travelled....

TrainerR,

I hear what you are saying. For Tony's team this system is not fair. I believe that is a seperate issue from what my question is.

In the "W/L Prize Payouts" section of the CDC web page it is stated

1ST SESSION TEAMS MUST PLAY BOTH
1ST SESSION & 2ND SESSION
TO BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE PRIZES

I want to know what is defined as the "same team" from 1st session to 2nd session and does "PRIZES" mean payouts too?

Looking further thru the web site, which takes some getting used to, I see that the team chooses to play for prizes or cash.

So you must play both sessions to collect either I assume.

I still have the question regarding rosters from the first session to the second session that is not answered anywhere that I can find.

Also I could not find an individual membership form.

To whomever can answer this question.

How much of team needs to be intact from the 1st session to the 2nd session to collect the prizes/money?

From what I have been told and what I have read, you only need to have 1 player to carry over for the second session. If I am wrong, spank me!

Need Help!

I am trying to put a team together and I have everyone but I am looking for a CDC #

There used to be a list on line with current members. Does it still exist and where is it??

Thanks Jeff Inman and Rose Scott. They answered my need for help via e-mail. Very quickly too! :D

i was unaware of the fact that jeff and rose were licensed to give you the kind of help you need dennis?!?!?!?!?
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Jon,

Jeff and Rose are quite good at what they do. If you are ever in the need of help, maybe you should give them a try :D :D :D ;) :P