i've just come upon a question how do we fly? with a reasonable wing span what makes it possible for us to acheive flught?

um... we flap our wings?

I'd say Angels are more of gliders, and use the combined power of their wings and legs to achieve flight.

But really, since when have the laws of physics really been dominant in the Warhammer World? Look at Furies, their wings are about the same size as ours compared to our bodies.

Flapping, mate.

Thats a pretty obvious answer to a rather simple question. If we have wings I assume that would be how the angels fly. I agree that physics have never really been a huge part in the warhammer world.

ditto. imagination is needed, but its not difficult to see rogues's dominion flying.

Flapping with a side of soaring.
---Baran

Well, if angels were real then they would not be able to fly without a signifigantly larger wingspan, but because it would look silly and we dont have the patience to model to it im going to give an answer that none can question.

A wizard did it.

GS

See, I think I'm going to use this to teach you guys a lesson.

These are fantasy gamers we're dealing with, not aerospace engineers. ;) They see wings. They know things with wings fly. So angels fly. Why take it any further than that? Physics doesn't apply in a world full of Daemons, Immortals, psychotic midgets, and other weird creatures. So why bother taking it into account? Nobody else does...

teach us a lesson? *looks shocked*

exactly what i was thinking, anyway, bee's wings are "too small for them" and they manage.

Dragons can fly with wings smaller than a harpie's.
---Baran

Dragons have a honeycomb strutcture inside their body which allows them to inflate and deflate their body which allows them to fly. The wings are used to glide, not the actualy flying.

(Thank you channel 4!)

Bees and insects are a strange bunch but bees wings beat so fast (far faster than anything bigger than it except for humming birds) that their wings are able to let them fly. This is simply to difficult to adapt to larger animals.

(Thank you discovery channel!)

GS

GS, even if they inflate their body, they're stilling merely filling it with atmospheric air, which is about 79% nitrogen, 20% oxygen and 1% other. This means that there isn't much inflation coming from that. Therefore, even if the dragon quadrupled his volume with atmosphere, he wouldn't generate any extra lift, to carry his incredibly massive wing structure and skeleton.
---Baran

Think inflaiting all your Aveoli to 10x size, i think that is the sort of lift they generate


GS

The massive amount of air that he is taking in would still weigh enough that it would not lift him. If his body heated that much air then it may hlep the dragon to rise, but by itself, atmospheric air won't allow the dragon to rise freely.

Can somebody tell me why the hell we're talking about dragons?

IST- exactly. Even if it was heated by a magnitude of 3, it still couldn't lift a multi-ton dragon. If we assume it doesn't have hollowed bird-like bones, and then assume it's about 10 times the size of a human, it would likely weigh about 1.5 tons (assuming its weight increases something close to exponentially for each human it consists of). Even 200 lbs of superheated gas (300 degrees F) would not be able to lift 1.5 tons.
WP- because.
---Baran

They do have bird like hollow bones.

GS

Hollow bones couldn't support the amount of muscle each dragon has, nor could they support the incredibly heavy weight of the skin and scales and brain (ld 8), and other internal organs. Unless these hearts don't have stomachs or hearts.
---Baran

bees fly becasue they move their wings in a shape like this: /\/\/\like a ripple. They couldnt fly otherwise.

...Then they dont have Stomachs or hearts. Whatever.

Can we talk about pie instead now?

GS

Well, without stomachs, dragons couldn't eat pie....
---Baran

mmmmmmmmmmmmm, pie.