Angelic Zealots
18pts/model
Core Choice
Unit Size: 10+
M4 WS5 BS3 S3 T3 A1 I5 W1 Ld10

Equipment: Hand Weapon & Light Armor.

Options:
-Any unit may be equipped with a Forearm Blade (+4pts/model).
-Shields (+1pts/model).
-One Zealot may be upgraded to Musician for +7pts
-One Zealot may be upgraded to Standard Bearer for +14pts
-One Zealot may be upgraded to Champion for +14pts (+1A)

Special Rules:
-Angelic Charge
-Angelic Flight
-Forearm Blades: A unit of Angelic Zealots equipped with Forearm Blades has the Killing Blow Ability.
-Forever Loyal: The Angelic Zealots will never accept defeat and will never stray from battle whilst their general still draws breath, the unit is Unbreakable.
-Demon Hunter: Hatred of Chaos.

MUWAHAHAHA!!! They're back. With the dropping of Crystal we need a new core option (we needed a new core option anyways having only 3). Tweaked a few things from last version.

Its an intresting unit, but by why would a unit with forearm blades go into a ranked unit? It just seems unnatrual to me. Logically these guys would be skirmishers but then they become to similar too Vengances.

Im just not sure to be honest, its a great idea and image i just cant seem them ranked up.

BTW: Shall we rethink the simple idea of "Daemonhunters", prehaps "Cult of Appolyon" or somting akin to that?

GS

Ya, I'll look into the whole cult thing later. Just give me a bit of time... I'm looking over all the old fluff and trying to make some decisions.

demon hunters would work but the issue is, thats allredy taken by a dwarf because they have a lord choice named Demonhunter

I like a different name, but Cult kinda seems... psycho. How about Appollyon's Creed or something more mystical like that? Think of the Forearm Blades like those things that one guy from Hellboy has, possibly attached at the forearm by a bracer (whatever looks better on a model).

Add a little line in...

Although these models move and fight in ranks on the battlefield for simplicity, in reality (^_^) they would dissolve from their formation as they entered battle, becoming a swirling net of death with their arm-borne blades.

That would just confuse it Hak, so no.

Yeah, the idea about the cult is that these guys are fanatical, after all they are Zealots.

GS

True, but if it will purtain to more than just the Zealots (Vengeances, Sons, etc) they're not all psychotic death machines. Plus Creed is a cooler word :P

Its not MY fault if you're easily confused GS.... :P

I really like these guys, i've never seen them before ("before your time...") But they look really interesting. So if we make them skirmish can we have them GS... Please? these are my new favourites!

Im not saying they should be able to skirmish because that would make them a clone of Vengances!

See the problem?

GS

Well, GS, what would you suggest? Perhaps a different equally kick-@$$ weapon?

No fake cursing Clavix. That's a three week ban.
I think they're really rather nice (I helped clavix decide on some of the rules).
---Baran

now i remember on why we dident like them in the past they are vengince clones fluff wise

http://s11.invisionfree.com/Seraphim/index.php?showtopic=214
http://s11.invisionfree.com/Seraphim/index.php?showtopic=238

wow Clavix you are more persistant than i am, though i want atlest some angels with black wings (mabey in the SoF department, SoF that can control their fire compleatly end up with black scorcghed wings.)

DA, I'm fairly certain he said he was totally changing the fluff....
---Baran

what fluff the fluff that exists from V2.0 is its only fluff and that makes them ,mirrors of the venginces.

also what job need do they fill.....none that isn't alredy filled. I say they are not needed at all even if you destroyed crystal we have the units that we need. (though crystyal provides a defensive unti that we dont have.) insimple i dont like Zealots and i will fight tooth and nail to stop it.

What "job" do the following do?

pegasus knights

errant knights

saurus cavalry

None of them HAD to be in the lists.... but they add something interesting.

GS, however you wanna do it (i still like my idea) then we should have them in the list. My vote is ranked. With discipline you could use FAblades in ranks...

It's not at all hard to imagine them ranked up, think about Witch Elves, the way they fight doesn't really scream "rank bonus" to me, but they are kept in a ranked unit anyway (plus they would be crap as skirmishers)

AoAlgebra :lol:

Thats true, good point AOA. I will have to think about this, but yeah, i can see it now. Maybe as a special unit though?

GS

Yipee! GS is converted! :)

Well i can't see them as core.

No chance as core and slightly better as rare, special sounds right

This now has the GS stamp of approval.

GS

Well the whole point is that we need a new core IMO. We have three, that is not enough IMO. I just don't like the fact that our core is limited to 3 units (probably the O&G player in me). I just think that a 4th core is needed to really polish off the list. I could also bring back some of the older rules like the charging a fleeing friendly unit within the charge arc. I just really want a 4th core, and these guys could change again to fit a more core feeling.

@DA: I haven't proposed these guys in over a year, and I only broguht them back up because we are on the verge of getting rid of Crystal, making our list even more narrowed in selection. Also, NO DARK ANGELS!!! GRAAGHAGHA!! :P:P:P

ok... um...

BUMP

Come on, more discussion needed.

Well, now that you mention it i always quite liked Dark Angels... :P haha.

Umm, if you want to propose a change i am happy to listen to it but i feel it will be quite difficult to fit in another core in. We seem to have most things coverd... Suggestions are welcome.

GS

Hmmm, well I can't really think of anything to tone them down to more of a core unit. I just don't like the mono-dimensioned feel of 3 core units. Maybe I'm just too much of an O&G player (7 Core has this affect), but even chaos mortals has 5 cores.

Maybe we could revert to those angels that were treated as fast cavalry that I think GS proposed a way back as a 4th core?

I dont like the idea of Angelic Cavalry. I mean, why would angels ride horses when they have wings?

What we could do with is some form of scout unit, like the old Alenai? Most forces have some form of foward scouts, but they should not be any stronger than an average angel (maybe poison though if we dont want to give them bows, in fact... i have an idea)

GS

GS, they weren't Cavalry, they were angels with Spears, but they moved so fast that the spears counted as a Cavalry Spear and they were so agile that they had the fast cavalry rules.

Oh yeah, i remember. I quite honestly say i hated them, and hated the concept. Sorry, but is my feelings towards them.

GS

Didn't you create them?

no WP created them but now we have a 4th core so it doent matter

I like Zealots, They should do, if we need another spec then we can maybe think about the fast cav idea of angels, but the Zealots will do for now IMO.

Oh, and i'm back.... B)

I say that these are good as specials but if we want another core, how about something really defensive. Something in concept like the ironbreakers. No our guys don't have to have 2+ armour or move 3 inches, but some defensive unit such as this could give us a new core that is different from what we already have. They would be a great center in the army and be able to hold their place.