Warhammer Fantasy, more tactics, less freedom, longer games, more models, costs more to play.

Warhammer 40,000, simple, more freedom, less ristrictions, shorter games, less models, costs less to play.

Why'd you lock the polls? Please don't unless you have a real reason to do so (like there's a separate discussion topic). The point of a forum is posting, not voting.

Finally. I like the tactics of fantasy better, though 40k still has some. Fantasy is more in movement, 40k is more shooting.

I think they are like pizza and lasagne. Which is better? neither. they are good in different ways.

I agree partially with Haktar, but really as a harsh but true statement (I play both and am a kid so don't take offense) but 40k is more of a "kiddie game" in the sense that it requires much less tactical skill. I enjoy both games but IMHO I find Fantasy the far superior game.

Yeh totally, i agree. 40K is for when you wanna be a little kid and have a laugh!

I disagree completly.

40k and Fantasy are very different styles of games, both require very subtle tactics to succeed in playing. For armies such as SM, okay fair enough they dont need a lot of tactics to succeed but with armies like IG, Nids, Orks and Inquistion tactcis are definetly needed.

The amount of background and history in 40k would be waaaayyy to much for any little kiddie to take in, it is immense. Many fantasy players do say that 40k lacks tactics and is for a younger audience, but the fact you can be blown away by enemy guns at any point and your units are constantly diving for cover provides a more realistic setting than some of the ridiculous manouvers ive seen in fantasy. (An IC run rings around a unit, you must be joking! They would just run the git down).

So, to conclude 40k is not a little kiddies game, it is a different game to fantasy which requires different tactics to be successful with.

What do i enjoy more? I drift inbetween the three (including LOTR) but lack of opponents tends to have me playing 40k more out of the game systems. Im always up for a game of BFG though (curses gun batteries...)

GS

Yeh i see that point too. When i said that 40K was for when you wanted to be a little kid... thats what I do! others will find it stimulatuing and challenging as a game system. As i play guard and SM, its all swings and roundabouts

You should eb a bit more advetorous in your army selection then ;)

SM have some very intresting options in the new edition IMO that people dont seem to take advantage of. IG have always been cool as well... Just dont over do it on the Basalisks :D

I do a agree there are a lot of little kids out there playing SM, but you do get the mature ones who can really play a good game with them.

GS

what, like me..... B)

Very few 40k armies regquire any tactical skill, and nids especially. And I did not mean to imply that based on armies, but the phases of the game are not as important, it may require some strategy, but it is not on the level that fantasy is played upon. I have played 40k for 5 years now and I have played fantasy for slightly over 2. 40k just does not require the tactical skill that is needed in fantasy.

Clearly you have not played very tacitically minded opponents. Go to a 40k GT and you will see tactics. A lot of tacitics rest with army selection as well, knowing what units to choose and where to position them is an important part of 40k.

GS

At least american GTs are not about tactics for fantasy or 40k, they are all about who can bring the cheesiest list to crush all competition. And I am not saying that it takes no skill at all to play, but most of the game is focused on who has the best firepower and abilities, or who has the most broken list (nids). There is no strategy in movement really at least when compared to fantasy. There is little strategy in shooting other than choosing targets. There is also much less strategy in combat, as both units just crash in to combat and intermingle and there are no bonuses for things like in fantasy that make fighting somewhat more realistic, and the bonuses in fantasy require you to make more skillful combat decisions. Overall 40k is a good game and I enjoy playing it, and while it may require some strategy, I am just saying it is not on the same level as fantasy.

Well, i do still disagree.

I dont think that 40k has less tactics than Fantasy, just different ones. 40k is faster paced and Movement is a lot more tactical (i ceartinly agree) but shooting and close combat can be quite tactical. You have to choose where to commit your forces, decide between shooting the enemy firepower or there troops etc.

I also disagree in the vast majority about "broken" armies, it is harder to win with some armies (heck, i play Witch/Daemon hunters, i should know!) than others but a n00b SM player would not stand a chance against someone who has been playing Nids for around 2 years.

A lot of it is to do with experience and pre battle planning, if your army can adapt to situations you will survive, if they cant, well your gonna get screwed by any army that can.

Fantasy is different in that it is not so much "in your face" gaming, there is more tactics to it, most armies cant just sit back and blast you away *cough*Dark Elves*cough* and its a lot more movement based. However, i do find some cituations with fantasy movement stupid, in a real battle you would not have all this "dancing around in formation" malarky to the level you have it in fantasy, and no way would IC be able to run rings around enemy formations without getting themselves massacred in real life.

Ahh well

On the comment with GT's, okay, that is the case a lot of the time (power gaming) but you do get some well mixed forces, so consider going to a conflict or somthing, you will meet much nicer opponents there methinks :D.

GS

WHAT THE HECK I LOCKED THIS??? You guys sure like to spam don't yous.....

WP has already explained that when you make a poll the point is to reply about the topic that is posted and explain your thought process on voting in the poll. From now on if you lock a poll it will be reopened for discussion of the topic that is brought up.

And who spammed? cos GS reply sure wasnt't.... i'm well confused.

i think that all that can be said about this has been said.