Okay, part 2 is not finished. I like what I have so far, but I've run into some hitches.
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Angelic Civilization

The Holy City of Ayamith
The Angelic city of Ayamith sits hidden within the huge cove of a forsaken desert island, which lies out at sea, many hundreds of miles from even primitive civilization. Any ship that comes within a hundred leagues of the island is struck down and sunk by storms, but the city itself is bathed in eternal light. Indeed, any human who somehow managed to come in sight of it would be blinded instantly, so pure and powerful is the glow of its white walls. It is said that the city itself is the greatest weapon of the angels in their war against chaos, for daemons cannot touch the substance of which Ayamith is made without bursting into flame. Even when all else has failed, the flame of Ayamith will endure.
The city itself is made up of nine levels. It is impossible to reach the city or move between the levels without the gift of flight, for there are no gates or stairs. Each of the nine levels is home to one of the nine types of angel. One of the nine seraphim rules over each level. The ninth and highest level is called Empyrean, and houses the council of the Seraphim, over which Sephiroth presided. It is also home to the Great Library of Ayamith: the repository of all angelic knowledge and the place in which the Celestial Tome of Seraphaal is kept. The eighth level is the level of the four-winged Cherubim and their archangel protectors, the Cherubai. Over this level Ashshaitan presided until the fall. The seventh level is the residence of the Angelic clerics, the Virtues. The mage-seraph Gabriel reigns over this, the most mysterious of levels. The sixth level is the home of the lieutenants of the Sabaoth, the Princedoms. Here, for the first time, are regular angels and archangels often seen, consulting with their leaders. Over this level, which holds the core of the angelic military, rules Raphael, who also leads the Council of Seraphim in place of Sephiroth. The fifth level houses the zealous, introspective Dominions and their weaker, more numerous counterparts, the Vengeances. Fittingly, the outcast seraph Liarza rules over this level. The fourth level is the domain of the mighty Powers, the angelic civil workers. The angels of this level are lead by the industrious seraph Uriel. The third level houses the barracks of the Archangels, and is ruled by the seraph Michael. And finally, the second level is the home of the regular angels, in their many thousands. The industries of the Sabaoth are all housed in this level. Over this, the most populated of levels, presides Metatron, voice of the masses.
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Obviously, the problem is that we only have 8 types of angels, but nine levels. We need another type of angel (and I realize we have many more types of angels, but really, I don't think any of them are any more than a subsection of the Archangels or Angels). However, I think we could kill two birds with one stone here. In most of my research, I've found stuff about Thrones, which would fit in right below Cherubim. So, I suggest we rename Princedoms Thrones, and create a new unit type called Princedoms. I think they should be core, and sort of like Archangels. But whereas the archies are the wild, ferocious civilion warriors, the Princedoms (perhaps even go back to their biblical name, Principalities) are the legioniary-style spear-and-shield trained soldiers.
What say ye?

On names: Most of the names of the Seraphim come out of the bible and/or apocryphia. We should probably change Metatron's a bit so that nobody can accuse us of ripping off "Dogma". :P Liarza is the name of the Islamic angel of death spelled backwards without the apostrophie.

Sorry for any typos I made, I'm in a hurry.

It kicks ass. Your throne idea is cool, but princedoms are a good n ame for heroes, I think. Find a new name, nameslave. I mean, ruler of all., thoust illustrious double-ye U P.
---Baran

Well, all of our other names come straight out of Judeo-Christian angelic hierarchy, so I don't like the idea of changing just one or two. If Principalities made a bit more sense, I'd advocate using those as well.

Oh, and BTW, Empyrean comes from the Devine Comedy, in which it is described as the highest level of heaven.

what ever happened to the Crystal Forest? I thought that that would be part of Ayamith, and therefor the ninth level?

It would be on the bottom level, but we don't have a bottom level yet.
God damn you people, if I write, you read and POST! What do you think of my suggestion? :P

I think Clavix has got the right idea, the ninth level, wherever it may be, could hold the crystal forest. I don't particularly like the Princedoms idea, because Princedoms make a good name for heroes, and thrones isn't as good, a throne is ingrained on most people's' brains as a chair. We also don't have civilian warriors, each and every Angel is a trained soldier, far exceeding the skill of even the elites of other races (they have WS 5, for example).

The rest of the fluff I think is great, I like the idea of giving each Seraphim dominion over a different level, the numbers thing makes more sense now.

P.S. I think Azrael (Christian spelling of Azrail) would make a better name for Liarza, especially since we already have a blessing in that name.

On Liarza: Okay, fair enough.

I disagree totally with everything else though. Firstly, I really, really, really think the forest thing is just wierd and should be a side thing, not a whole level. Secondly, Princedomes should probably be renamed Principalities, because it's kind of weird to rename just one thing, and I think Principalities would work much better as a regimened troop than as a hero. Now Thrones ae a bit tougher, but it does come right out of the dogma, so I just don't see it as a major problem. Finally, on the ranked troops: they aren't necesarily better, they just fill a different purpose. They are a whole section of the Sabaoth, so maybe Seraphaal just created them to give his children warriors to fill the role of ranked spearwielders.
And on another note, the number thing is still messed up. We have 9 seraphim. We have 9 levels. But we only have 8 types of angels. I realize you could make crystal its own type with its own level, but I still think it's out of place. It factions the angels, which I think is wrong. For heavan's sake, they were all born at exactly the same moment and live in the same city, so one thing being so different just seems wrong.

well if cherubim guard is there own class the take a shot for the Seraphim guard

and you cant really have a forest in a city also the SoF live in the crystal forest

I don't like them as Seraphim Guard, but maybe as the assistants of the Thrones (Princedoms)? And you're wrong, I've seen plenty of forests in cities. I think it'll be more of a garden anyway.

I prefer Princedoms, mainly because the inclusion of the word Prince implies that they are high up in the hierarchy. Principalities, like Thrones, doesn't sound like a title, a principality is a country. As to the ranked troops, why would we need a whole new class of Angels just to hold spears? It's not like you need to be any different from a sword-and-shield guy to wield one. If We're having special people just to use certain weapons, I can't see the difference between them and Crystal Guardians, or how units like Cherubim Guard are going to pass off as just being a different type of Archangel.

Making them assistants to Princedoms I could see, but the problem with that is that it would make them an elite unit, and to be honest, I don't know how much more elite we can get. Vengeances and Cherubim Guard are already super-elite units, and it'll be difficult to make a new elite unit type that's different enough from existing units, while not becoming essentially a unit of characters.

To DA, the Sons of Fire do not live in the crystal forest. It is specifically stated in the fluff that they wander the earth hunting for Chaos, they do not stay near other Angels for fear they would harm them. The idea is improbable even when the forest was outside the city, as there were Angels living there too.

Bah. I'll try and come up with something myself this weekend to pursuade you guys. I don't know how much time I'll have though, I've got state competition for Mock Trial, so I'll be pretty busy.

prince with my experance the SoF hunting for deamons (its not going to be sucessfull like hunting elefents with a bb gun) but they can reside some where and the best place for them to reside as a safe home would be in a place where they cant harm anything for instance the ice coverd forest that will never melt the crystal forest

also if it goes by fluff the forest was made then we can have the original crystal moved to the city where it made a small controled garden

philip pullman used metatron in his dark materials trilogy- does that mean we could use it too without dogamsh?

Woah, finally got round to readint this topic and big No Nos springing up everywhere.

Okay, Princedoms names + rank are fine, if you need another rank

"Ophanim"
"Chayos"

These are both recorderd in the old testmaent as accuracte angelic ranks.

Possibly make the Ophanim as a sort of "assistant" angel rank? hmm. I may work on somthing later...

What are the no-nos?

This weekend, I SWEAR I'll get something done!

also WP just because it came form the religon dosent mean use it if you look at toombkings the names arnt directly takens from the old Egypt kings but looked at then made simlar by pronuciation, spelling, ect...

my fear is that because it has a Direct naming from cristan, and jewish religons that it might not be accepted heince our possible delema

Seeing as GS is a devout jew, I don't think the "delema" exists.

See my post in the rules creation section for my idea for something to fill out the gap in the city.

delema? Never heard of it.

Hmm. Gap. We could always fill it with the Spectrals at the bottom for they have not gained the privalage of going higher than that, and even if they wanted to, they couldnt.

GS

Yes, but I still want Thrones and Principalities! I think that works best, makes the most sense in context, and is just coolest.

Acutally, i think we should prehaps an idea of Angelic Burial? I mean, you could have hall upon hall of entombed angels? Or prehaps the void is on the lowest level? There are so many possibilities...

Or maybe the sacred magic items are kept there? or the winds of angelic magic? or somthing else altogether?

And i disagree with you there WP, i dont like the idea of renaming Princedoms Thrones.

Several reasons.

We have stuck with this from the start, and i like the idea of Princedoms. It kinda gives the idea of a lower rank "Prince"dom. Principalities will cause confusion.

I do like some of the names you came up with for Some of the Seraphim, of course another suggestion would just be to have 8 levels?

GS

Noooooooo. I've already got lots of cool number fluff. And 8 would just be wrong.
Angels don't die, per se, so a burial ground would be rather pointless. The void is like a parallel universe or another dimension. The magic items are kept in the possesion of the Seraphim up in the library, or down in the armories of the Princedoms/Thrones.
Here's the thing about confusion. People will just call them what we call them. There really isn't much scope for getting confused.

no but it would be kool to have some sort of monotlith cuz comingback usaly takes a longtime so a "garveyard" or giant structure that has the names of the currently dead inscribed which change when they come back magicly so its a morning place or a place to pay your dues instead of whating. got it?

*sighs*
Okay, I'm just going to write the fluff over break okay, then we can argue some more.

WP, i do not want Princedoms changed to Thrones, we can introduce a new unit called Thrones (i guess...) but i dont want them to replace Princedoms.

Also, when im saying Pricipalities (sp) will confuse is because people know what a Principaltaie is! On the other hand, people dont know what a Princedom is.

GS

Um, GS, you just completely ignored what I said about names.

No, i didnt.

What im trying to say is that "Princedoms" nobody has heard of anyway. The first time i posted this list (and some successive times from the stie) on GW forum i got tons of people complaining about the Cherubim, saying they were the tiny Valentines fairys!

I see where your coming from, but people will still get confused.

GS

Well, screw 'em. :P

Not quite the answer i was looking for...

GS

No, really, why does it matter if the Lowest Common Denominator is a bit confused? We want suggestions from the smart people, who are also going to be the people who know what we're basing our fluff off of.

people thought space marines worked in water only, the eldar wave serpent, similar, and there were many a complaint about calling gretchins gretchins. people will follow what we call them. But that name should be cool and catchy (but not necessarily prononounceble!-- Evisc... Evi... Eviskit... BIG CHAINSWORD!) :)

i say in all aspects keep it Princedoms because it carries the sense of rank with it the word Prince-dom gives the image of prince and ranking like almost all heros of any army like noble, tomb prince, big boss, comander, captain, ect.... all in the name give the sense of rank and power and princedom holds that better than Pricipalities which sounds much like princeapals(sp).