I don't know if you guys have talked about this as i haven't gone through every thread but here it goes...

I've looked at a couple other sites on angels and it says that Archangels are higher angels and captains, yet here we perceive them as a core unit. This doesn't seem to be correct. I propose that we keep the unit (just rename them) and make a fighter hero called Archangels.

Looking at Version 1.1 (if that is the latest version and if it isn't sorry), I think Vengeances are a little too good for core. I mean, there aren't many core units that cost 36 points a piece are there? They should be special. As to me, they resemble WE Wardancers and they a special choice (at least in the old version).

We also need more core choices. I mean 3 choices? Even Chaos has more than that. Maybe have something like devoted humans. Maybe go along the lines of Marks of Heaven (I mean it is anti-chaos, so have mark abilities that kinda counter them).

All I got so far, sorry if this has already been covered somewhere else.

one we know that we tried to do that but we prefer it to be an independent unit

two NO HUMANS!!!!!! for some reason they moved our old post about humans in the army we aggred to not allow any humans in the army

three this in my opinon sofar on the direction of the army we don't want to have sone good chaos army thats exactly the same we want it to be uneque

Ok, if people would please, please, please read the replies on the list thread they would see the corrections to the list. Archangels, are slightly better and higher fighter angels so we made them a bit better rather then being unit champions. Vengeances are no longer 36 points, they are 27. And we need the core so they are fine as core. Definatly no humans whatsoever. The only human ever to have seen the angels and lived is now a raving lunatic. Also we don't need heavenly marks as it does make them a lot like chaos.

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I don't. I said the thread that the list 1.1 is in. Nobody finishes reading just that one thread. That is the only thread I think you should read. I am not trying to be mean, and there is no need to get angry and curse over anything. We can all act like adults here. People don't bother to read that one thread though where the same questions and comments have been answered multiple times. I am not trying to say that you should read everything, but please read the thread you want to comment on before you do.

The Druchii only have three choices for core, The old wood elf list only had three core units- it's not unheard of. Besides, if we give our angels some options, then it will add the flexibility to the list I am guess you're trying to get.

Archangels are a seperate order of the heirarchy of angels in the pseudo-Sionysian scheme of the 9 orders of choirs, and seeing as we're following a similar system, you comment that archangels are usually the captains of angels is actually a bit wrong- they serve a seperate purpose. And it was from this concept we started the list.

I don't think we're doing marks- just makes it into a chaos Army.

Yet we're doing Angelic Gifts?

I count angelig gifts as like HE honers or just magic items

Ya, we're going Angelic gifts. I don't see that as a link to Chaos. The Vampire counts have bloodline powers, the High Elves have honors, the Wood elves will have Kindreds (like honors), the Brettonian have vows, and based on my army builder, the ogres have something called big names. It's just not Damons who have "Daemonic Gifts". In fact, if we hadn't called them "Angelic Gifts", it wouldn't connect to "Daemonic Gifts" at all.

An angel ranked above the highest rank in the celestial hierarchy. That is from Dictionary.com for the definition of archangel. The Archangels are the captains of all the angelic hosts. That is the first line on the site provided for information about angels which is posted on this site. But also think of this, in WE there are Mages (Heroes) and Archmages (Lords). If anything Archangels should be a Special. I still think they should be a Fighter hero.

Then why not call them magic items, or make a unique name, like Angelic Blessings or Godsends? Sorry if I'm sounding trivial, it's been a stressful day.

In the most literal sense, yes, Archangels are above it all. In the bible, Angels such as Michael are referred to as "Archangels", which is used to denote the highest angels. However, we are not using direct biblical interpretations- we are using a celestial heirarchy, like the one established by Psuedo-Dionysus (yes, that's his name) of Areopagite- The most basic explanation of Archangels is thus:

8th of the nine choirs of angels. The heralds of great, important news.

(it is important to point out the first part of that definition can be found on dictionary.com, under the defination you gave us)

It is true that some archangels were the rulers and princes of angels, such as Raphael, Gabriel, and Michael. But then, there are angels in every heirarchy that go above and beyond their normal status in their determined choir. Uriel, another leading angel, is ranked as a seraph. There are even some angels who scholars are not even sure what choir they go in. Satan, for instance, was first argued to be a Seraph before his fall, but then was argued to be a Cherub, as Seraphim would not have sinned against god so easily... anyways, the point is, religion is actually pretty muddled at times, and will contradict itself here and there. We choose to use the view that Archangels ranked right above angels, and were not the princes of the angelic choirs. Seeing as this is a warhammer list, and not a thesis on the Christian faith, it doesn't really matter in the end anyways- it's up to us to set were the angels go.

At this point I think it should be mentioned I know a fair amount about Angels and have enough books to back me up in this argument, and I'm not just making this stuff up. And for the sake of throwing my opinion into it, I think we've done a good job making the units for the angelic army, and shouldn't try to change up the heroes and fluff at this point.

As for your second post, yes, the name could be better to not bring up the imagery of "daemon gifts"- I'll agree with you there.

As has been stated, Archangels are, according to the hirearchy this is based upon, the 2nd lowest rank of angels.
The reason they are core is this: although rare, they always appear for battle, because it is their life. Hence the 0-1 per 1000 core rules.
Of course we need more. :P

Not only that but if you take archangels away then we only have 2 core units. Also I don't mind changing them from angelic gifts to like angelic blessings or something along those lines.