After reading through the posts in an attempt to write 1.36 (which is in the works people) i noticed Iron brought up a very good point.

We lack a very good defender unit, somthing akin to Ironbreakers for the enemy to blunt their spearhead against.

Do we need one or will that give the army somthing which is simply not suited to it. My opinion is that the army should concentrate on trying to barrel over the enemy in a well timed and well picked assault, rolling over them before coming back and crashing into them again.

Would a defender unit open up tactical options or drift to far from the Angels that we know and love?

GS

In a word, no. We're fast, not uber-defenders. DE have no defendery thing, nor do HE. WE, forget it. Fast stuff have no defenders.
---Baran

Never heard of Black Guard, White Lions or Eternal Guard and Treemen?

You were comparing any defensive unit to Ironbreakers, but a unit with the Stubborn rule works perfectly as a defender, able to hold relatively easily if they survive the attack. We have a unit like that, Vengeances. So adding another defensive unit seems unnecessary. If you really need to hold against a charge, bring in the Vengeances.

AoAlgebra :lol:

Amen. wouldn't suit the army. If we need it, have "grounded angels" with GW, but i don't think we do, so...

Yeah Baran, but all of those armies also have large amounts of shooting to rely upon. I don't think that our list is weak, but we are lacking in many departments, and we need to check through them. We have good magic, and better than average speed, and we are good at attack, but we have nearly no shooting, no really solid defenders. Also most of our units are quite expensive and weaker than other units in the game, so if we don't have something to fall back to (a decent center) our game would collapse.

Black guard aren't defenders, they're stoppers. Treemen are WAAC and lion guard are bad. And I haven't played warhammer in a year so cut me some slack!
---Baran