Title: Isles could be sellers
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Dark Helmet - February 11, 2008 10:23 PM (GMT)
Islanders could be sellers
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Isles could be sellers
The Islanders have lost seven in a row and sit 13th in the Eastern Conference, and New York Newsday suggests the team could be sellers by the trade deadline.
With a number of impending free agents, such as Miroslav Satan, Mike Comrie, Ruslan Fedotenko, Josef Vasicek and Trent Hunter (RFA), the team could move some of its players for younger talent and/or draft picks.
"There hasn't been much movement at all in the league," Islanders GM Garth Snow told Newsday. "Everybody is surprised. But if we have a chance to improve - not only for this year but for the future - we're going to do it."
According to Newsday, defenseman Marc-Andre Bergeron might have been showcased on Saturday when the Isles played the Minnesota Wild.
TheFourthPeriod.com
Isles could be sellers
The Islanders have lost seven in a row and sit 13th in the Eastern Conference, and New York Newsday suggests the team could be sellers by the trade deadline.
With a number of impending free agents, such as Miroslav Satan, Mike Comrie, Ruslan Fedotenko, Josef Vasicek and Trent Hunter (RFA), the team could move some of its players for younger talent and/or draft picks.
"There hasn't been much movement at all in the league," Islanders GM Garth Snow told Newsday. "Everybody is surprised. But if we have a chance to improve - not only for this year but for the future - we're going to do it."
According to Newsday, defenseman Marc-Andre Bergeron might have been showcased on Saturday when the Isles played the Minnesota Wild.
Shooter - February 11, 2008 10:51 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dark Helmet @ Feb 11 2008, 05:23 PM) |
| Islanders could be sellers TheFourthPeriod.com Isles could be sellers The Islanders have lost seven in a row and sit 13th in the Eastern Conference, and New York Newsday suggests the team could be sellers by the trade deadline. With a number of impending free agents, such as Miroslav Satan, Mike Comrie, Ruslan Fedotenko, Josef Vasicek and Trent Hunter (RFA), the team could move some of its players for younger talent and/or draft picks. "There hasn't been much movement at all in the league," Islanders GM Garth Snow told Newsday. "Everybody is surprised. But if we have a chance to improve - not only for this year but for the future - we're going to do it." According to Newsday, defenseman Marc-Andre Bergeron might have been showcased on Saturday when the Isles played the Minnesota Wild. |
:cheers:
sybo - February 11, 2008 10:54 PM (GMT)
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| Next to their shootout victory in New Jersey in the final game last season to reach the playoffs, the most exciting moment for the Islanders came at the trade deadline when they made a blockbuster deal for Ryan Smyth. But with the Islanders currently going south on a seven-game losing streak, it looks as if the most exciting day this season might be June 20 in Ottawa at the NHL draft. General managerGarth Snow never would admit that. "We haven't given up," he said before Saturday's overtime loss at Minnesota. "We're trying to get back into the playoff picture. Obviously, the goal is to win our division. It looks like a monumental task right now, but it starts with a win." The difference is that last season, he committed to being a buyer at the trade deadline, and this season, he's keeping his cards close to his vest and talking about the future. One game before the All-Star break, the Islanders were seventh in the East. Now they're tied for 13th, trailing eighth-place Boston by six points for the last playoff spot. Starting with their game againstPhiladelphia tomorrow night at the Coliseum, the Isles have seven games before the Feb. 26 trade deadline to make a case for Snow to become a buyer. "There hasn't been much movement at all in the league," Snow said of the pre-deadline maneuvering. "Everybody is surprised. But if we have a chance to improve - not only for this year but for the future - we're going to do it." It's that bit about "the future" that holds the key to which way Snow is leaning. His team is falling out of contention and he's sitting at the GM poker table with a full house of free-agent-to-be forwards, includingMiroslav Satan, Mike Comrie, Ruslan Fedotenko, Josef Vasicek, Chris Simon (eligible to come off suspension Feb. 21) and Trent Hunter (restricted free agent). Power-play specialist Marc-Andre Bergeron found his way back into the lineup Saturday against the Wild in what could be seen as showcasing. Judging by the crowd of scouts in the press box Thursday night in Pittsburgh, blood is in the water and the sharks are circling. Although Satan has only 11 goals, he's a proven scorer who is likely to attract significant interest, but he has a no-trade clause. Comrie, who had a strong playoff run with Ottawa last season, is a valuable commodity at center. If the Islanders miraculously turn around their season in the next seven games, there are other factors working against their becoming a buyer. Acquiring a scorer comparable to Smyth would come at a similar price - their first-round pick and two top prospects. Giving up their top pick in a weak draft last season was no problem, but this year's draft is one of the deepest talent pools in years. The prospects they gave up last season, Robert Nilsson and Ryan O'Marra, had been deemed expendable. They refused to part with forward Kyle Okposo, who since has been signed. They also refused to give up Blake Comeau, who drew interest last February. Had Edmonton asked for Comeau instead of Nilsson last year, the Smyth deal might never have happened. As things stand now, the Islanders hold the fifth overall pick, which might prove to be more valuable in the long run than any veteran Snow could acquire. But Snow doesn't want to hear it. "I'm not planning on having the fifth pick," he said. "We're trying to win games and get back in the playoff picture." |
bringbackziggy - February 11, 2008 11:04 PM (GMT)
um...duh...if we aren't sellers then I don't know what is...bottom 5 in the league with 5 or 6 impending UFA is the definition of sellers.
Isles72 - February 11, 2008 11:08 PM (GMT)
the article has rfa beside trents name
nice research TFP
nice research TFP
Dark Helmet - February 11, 2008 11:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bringbackziggy @ Feb 11 2008, 06:04 PM) |
| um...duh...if we aren't sellers then I don't know what is...bottom 5 in the league with 5 or 6 impending UFA is the definition of sellers. |
This is just GM talk for "I don't want to talk about who we are going to trade and we want the fans the believe we have a shot at the playoffs this year so they keep coming to the coliseum to buy $7.25 beers."
Dark Helmet - February 11, 2008 11:43 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Isles72 @ Feb 11 2008, 06:08 PM) |
| the article has rfa beside trents name nice research TFP |
All of that "research" requires going to the nhlpa webpage and typing in "Islanders".
:ph43r:
EricN11 - February 12, 2008 02:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dark Helmet @ Feb 11 2008, 06:42 PM) | ||
This is just GM talk for "I don't want to talk about who we are going to trade and we want the fans the believe we have a shot at the playoffs this year so they keep coming to the coliseum to buy $7.25 beers." |
i also think it might have a bit to do with trying to raise the price of the players a little bit too.
Webb20 - February 12, 2008 01:28 PM (GMT)
The best thing that could happen is Comrie continue his hot hand for another week. Value goes up as teams think he can help offensively down the stretch.
While talking to my son he thought that this year is the perfect year to see what Martinek could fetch. He's 31, not going to be part of the young core, is injury prone and under contract, but he's a good defenseman, smooth skater and could fetch some value in return. Trade him while he has value, before he gets older or worse, injured. After thinking about it, it makes perfect sense from a GM/team building point of view.
While talking to my son he thought that this year is the perfect year to see what Martinek could fetch. He's 31, not going to be part of the young core, is injury prone and under contract, but he's a good defenseman, smooth skater and could fetch some value in return. Trade him while he has value, before he gets older or worse, injured. After thinking about it, it makes perfect sense from a GM/team building point of view.
CANADA - February 12, 2008 05:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Webb20 @ Feb 12 2008, 01:28 PM) |
| The best thing that could happen is Comrie continue his hot hand for another week. Value goes up as teams think he can help offensively down the stretch. While talking to my son he thought that this year is the perfect year to see what Martinek could fetch. He's 31, not going to be part of the young core, is injury prone and under contract, but he's a good defenseman, smooth skater and could fetch some value in return. Trade him while he has value, before he gets older or worse, injured. After thinking about it, it makes perfect sense from a GM/team building point of view. |
not a bad idea :letssee:
OntheIsle - February 12, 2008 05:47 PM (GMT)
Heres what I would love to see:
Martinek traded for a 1st or a top prospect, 2nd Rounder might be to low for him
Vasicek traded for a 4th
Tank for a 2nd/3rd
Satan for a 1st
Bergeron traded for ?
Comrie resigned for 3 years
Hunter resigned for 4 years
This is all very possible I mean Nolegs Kvasha got us a 4th a couple of years ago so I think Vasicek can net us at least that. I think trading Martinek is brilliant and we should trade him before he gets a really serious injury. Satan can net us a 1st by a desperate team. Comrie wants to stay here and is still young, definitely a solid 2nd line center. Hunter has shown his commitment he is not a goal scorer but he has all the other intangibles to be a future Assistant Captain or even Captain. I wouldnt mind seeing Bergeron go maybe we can throw him in with someone (Tank?) to get a 1st or something of the sorts. When you trade all these guys we will be in decent shape next year, but our 1st line will still be depleted.
Martinek traded for a 1st or a top prospect, 2nd Rounder might be to low for him
Vasicek traded for a 4th
Tank for a 2nd/3rd
Satan for a 1st
Bergeron traded for ?
Comrie resigned for 3 years
Hunter resigned for 4 years
This is all very possible I mean Nolegs Kvasha got us a 4th a couple of years ago so I think Vasicek can net us at least that. I think trading Martinek is brilliant and we should trade him before he gets a really serious injury. Satan can net us a 1st by a desperate team. Comrie wants to stay here and is still young, definitely a solid 2nd line center. Hunter has shown his commitment he is not a goal scorer but he has all the other intangibles to be a future Assistant Captain or even Captain. I wouldnt mind seeing Bergeron go maybe we can throw him in with someone (Tank?) to get a 1st or something of the sorts. When you trade all these guys we will be in decent shape next year, but our 1st line will still be depleted.
bumpkin - February 12, 2008 07:34 PM (GMT)
Hunter might fetch more than we think. I like him, but if we are stripping the team only DP is untouchable. Garth has a lot to think about, but I cannot see a second rounder for Tank(ed).
Nautika16 - February 12, 2008 07:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (OntheIsle @ Feb 12 2008, 12:47 PM) |
| Heres what I would love to see: Martinek traded for a 1st or a top prospect, 2nd Rounder might be to low for him Vasicek traded for a 4th Tank for a 2nd/3rd Satan for a 1st Bergeron traded for ? Comrie resigned for 3 years Hunter resigned for 4 years This is all very possible I mean Nolegs Kvasha got us a 4th a couple of years ago so I think Vasicek can net us at least that. I think trading Martinek is brilliant and we should trade him before he gets a really serious injury. Satan can net us a 1st by a desperate team. Comrie wants to stay here and is still young, definitely a solid 2nd line center. Hunter has shown his commitment he is not a goal scorer but he has all the other intangibles to be a future Assistant Captain or even Captain. I wouldnt mind seeing Bergeron go maybe we can throw him in with someone (Tank?) to get a 1st or something of the sorts. When you trade all these guys we will be in decent shape next year, but our 1st line will still be depleted. |
sorry dude Trent Hunter for 4 years. The guy can not skate and it seems the new NHL is catching up to him. Hitting and digging the puck out of corners is great but when he said he wanted to wait to the summer to talk about contracts this year. He needs to be traded. His value may go down each year from now and that would hurt us. If he wants more than what he is getting paid now. Garth better just leave him alone b/c he is not earning what he makes now and his agent is probably is practicing his "get a bigger contract" speech. If I am Garth I would think long and hard about keeping him and he is better getting traded then waiting to the summer.
I would sign Comrie though. he seems to like it hear and we do not here that to much from players on our team.
4CUPZ - February 12, 2008 08:41 PM (GMT)
YEAH KEEP COMRIE
AND VOTE OFF TRENT
:bfart:
AND VOTE OFF TRENT
:bfart:
Shooter - February 12, 2008 08:49 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (4CUPZ @ Feb 12 2008, 03:41 PM) |
| YEAH KEEP COMRIE AND VOTE OFF TRENT :bfart: |
Why would you want a guy who busts his ass on every shift?
:dontknow:
Acards - February 12, 2008 09:28 PM (GMT)
This is the year to stock draft picks. Sell Sell Sell, And i agree and a good point brought up about Martinek. With one solid draft and some good FA signings we can turn this around. The question i have is if Snow is the GM that can pull the rabbit out of the hat :letssee:
Westfall18 - February 13, 2008 01:13 AM (GMT)
Stock up on picks make a play to land John Tavares in 09?
Cain - February 13, 2008 01:15 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Westfall18 @ Feb 12 2008, 07:13 PM) |
| Stock up on picks make a play to land John Tavares in 09? |
Tavares = Bossy = :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Shooter - February 13, 2008 02:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 12 2008, 08:15 PM) | ||
Tavares = Bossy = :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: |
I agree. It's the best way to move this franchise forward instead of hoping for an eighth place finish every year.
Westfall18 - February 13, 2008 02:39 AM (GMT)
Tavares in an Islanders uniform In my opinion would be the spark the Islanders need to save the franchise...If John is as advertised it would almost be on the same level as Sid the Kid helping the Pens stay in Pittsburgh...
Dark Helmet - February 13, 2008 05:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bumpkin @ Feb 12 2008, 02:34 PM) |
| Hunter might fetch more than we think. I like him, but if we are stripping the team only DP is untouchable. Garth has a lot to think about, but I cannot see a second rounder for Tank(ed). |
This is pretty much what I was going to say too. Hunter can hold alot of value for a team looking for hockey smarts and toughness when they already have enough skill/scoring. Could see a nice return.
thew8511 - February 14, 2008 01:43 AM (GMT)
I am for trading those players. Hunter is a good team guy but he needs to add some goals. He is a shell of the player we saw his rookie season. If this was Detroit or Ottowa then he would be fine. The Isles need some people who can score, not nice guys. Wouldn't it be nice if Spezza stayed in an Isles uniform? We need a new scouting Dept. Why can the Wings, Sens and Devils always draft so well and we suck? Amazing isnt it?
Cain - February 14, 2008 01:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (thew8511 @ Feb 13 2008, 07:43 PM) |
| I am for trading those players. Hunter is a good team guy but he needs to add some goals. He is a shell of the player we saw his rookie season. If this was Detroit or Ottowa then he would be fine. The Isles need some people who can score, not nice guys. Wouldn't it be nice if Spezza stayed in an Isles uniform? We need a new scouting Dept. Why can the Wings, Sens and Devils always draft so well and we suck? Amazing isnt it? |
Their last GM was not Mike Milbury.
They have stable ownership and a history of it.
Just the first two that come to mind... :dontknow:
lifirefighter - February 14, 2008 03:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 13 2008, 08:47 PM) | ||
Their last GM was not Mike Milbury. They have stable ownership and a history of it. Just the first two that come to mind... :dontknow: |
it took ottawa a lot of draft picks before they got it right. This team was drafting people like Daigle and Bonk and Yashin and Berard. It took a long while before they were drafting people like Alfredsson and Hossa.
mrbixby - February 15, 2008 11:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (lifirefighter @ Feb 13 2008, 10:22 PM) |
| it took ottawa a lot of draft picks before they got it right. This team was drafting people like Daigle and Bonk and Yashin and Berard. It took a long while before they were drafting people like Alfredsson and Hossa. |
I don't mean to rain on your parade or anything but...Ottawa picked Alfie & Bonk the same year (1994). Bonk in the 1st round 3rd overall, Alfie in the 3rd round! FYI, the Isles had the #9 pick...Brett Lindros. And Yashin actually played very well for them he was a good pick! Here are some more picks:
1992: Sens pick Yashin 2nd overall...Isles pick Kasparaitus 5th overall.
1993: Sens pick Daigle 1st overall...Isles get Bertuzzi at #23.
1997: Sens pick Hossa with the #12 overall pick. Isles choose Luongo 4th and Brewer 5th.
1999: Sens pick Havlat 26th overall while the Isles pick Connolly 5th, Pyatt 8th, Mezei 10th and Kudroc 30th (4 1st rounders!)
But I agree with your point...we don't draft as well. Even when we get a young talent we let them go too soon.
dragoneye - February 15, 2008 05:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (mrbixby @ Feb 15 2008, 06:56 AM) | ||
I don't mean to rain on your parade or anything but...Ottawa picked Alfie & Bonk the same year (1994). Bonk in the 1st round 3rd overall, Alfie in the 3rd round! FYI, the Isles had the #9 pick...Brett Lindros. And Yashin actually played very well for them he was a good pick! Here are some more picks: 1992: Sens pick Yashin 2nd overall...Isles pick Kasparaitus 5th overall. 1993: Sens pick Daigle 1st overall...Isles get Bertuzzi at #23. 1997: Sens pick Hossa with the #12 overall pick. Isles choose Luongo 4th and Brewer 5th. 1999: Sens pick Havlat 26th overall while the Isles pick Connolly 5th, Pyatt 8th, Mezei 10th and Kudroc 30th (4 1st rounders!) But I agree with your point...we don't draft as well. Even when we get a young talent we let them go too soon. |
That goes to show how long you need to wait for frickin draft pics to pan out, if they ever do. I am rethinking trading some of these guys. They need to sign Satan now, and maybe Hunter. Hunter may not be scoring goals and is just a nice guy, but he is our nice guy... and has been for a while. Hope he will accept a fair market contract. It isn't like he is worth much more if any...
Acards - February 15, 2008 09:49 PM (GMT)
Les Jackson was at the Toronto/Islander game last night. Satan or blake? :letssee:
7th Woman - February 15, 2008 10:36 PM (GMT)
sad to say, probably no one will take Blake from Toronto.
Cain - February 15, 2008 10:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (7th Woman @ Feb 15 2008, 04:36 PM) |
| sad to say, probably no one will take Blake from Toronto. |
When they buy him out, maybe he'll come back to the Islander for a year or two on the cheap?
7th Woman - February 15, 2008 10:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 15 2008, 06:39 PM) | ||
When they buy him out, maybe he'll come back to the Islander for a year or two on the cheap? |
Don't toy with me Cain!
;)
carbons2k - February 16, 2008 11:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Isles72 @ Feb 11 2008, 06:08 PM) |
| the article has rfa beside trents name nice research TFP |
what does rfa mean?
Special11k - February 16, 2008 11:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (carbons2k @ Feb 16 2008, 06:21 PM) | ||
what does rfa mean? |
Restricted Free Agent
Islander4cups - February 17, 2008 05:23 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (7th Woman @ Feb 15 2008, 05:40 PM) | ||||
Don't toy with me Cain! ;) |
Why not... the Stars I think are still paying Guerin's buyout. I'd sign Blake to a mill a season if he got bought out. He can still play and get 20 goals, plus he will get money from Toronto for the length of that contract should he be bought out.
I just didn't want to pay him 4 per over 5 years.
bumpkin - February 17, 2008 06:41 PM (GMT)
I believe there is no more paying part of a salary under the new rules. It makes Blake almost impossible to move.
stevedepot - February 17, 2008 06:46 PM (GMT)
I think he'll come back next year in year 2 of that deal and shut people up
over there and around the league.
He was supposed to be part of the solution but when other pieces this year (McCabe, Tucker + team injuries)
hurt team, that's a huge burden to try and pin on one guy underachieving.
over there and around the league.
He was supposed to be part of the solution but when other pieces this year (McCabe, Tucker + team injuries)
hurt team, that's a huge burden to try and pin on one guy underachieving.
Acards - February 20, 2008 09:32 PM (GMT)
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| Fedotenko to Detroit or Nashville is gaining momentum. I think Ruslan, should the Isles shift into seller mode could. |
Shooter - February 20, 2008 11:07 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Acards @ Feb 20 2008, 04:32 PM) | ||
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maybe it's why his play has picked up lately, smelling a decent contract next season...
Dark Helmet - February 21, 2008 06:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Shooter @ Feb 20 2008, 06:07 PM) | ||||
maybe it's why his play has picked up lately, smelling a decent contract next season... |
Can I just be the one to say that shipping Fedotenko off doesn't necessarily mean we're classified as "Sellers"?
Dark Helmet - February 21, 2008 06:15 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Islander4cups @ Feb 17 2008, 12:23 AM) | ||||||
Why not... the Stars I think are still paying Guerin's buyout. I'd sign Blake to a mill a season if he got bought out. He can still play and get 20 goals, plus he will get money from Toronto for the length of that contract should he be bought out. I just didn't want to pay him 4 per over 5 years. |
Expect Comrie to get something close to those figures if Snow decides to re-sign him.
aries44475 - February 21, 2008 11:36 AM (GMT)
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| Tomas Kaberle has already indicated that he will not waive his no-trade clause, however reports suggest Bryan McCabe might be willing to accept a trade to the New York Islanders if the right offer came along. The Isles, sources say, could offer a package deal involving Trent Hunter and a young defenseman. |
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/tor080220.html
God I hope the Media is just bored in Toronto :fear: