let's keep all the steroid nonsense from todays news and coming days in this thread.

So far, as expected 2 people I've been barking about as being users from MY favorite team, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte are on the list.
Also, rumors implicating former Met, Mike Piazza in the past may come to fruition.

A black day indeed.

check MLB.com at 2pm as the full list will be published.

shame on ALL of them.

:angry:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316645,00.html

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22243678



Nomar Garciaparra, Johnny Damon, Trot Nixon and how about that perjuring piece of crap..Sammy Sosa??? no shock with him.

disgusting.

I love the irony... the game IMO is probably the least physically demanding of all the big pro sports, and 1/2 the guys are on the juice. LOLZZZ !!!

If you don't think the NFL and the NBA especially are juicing you're out of your mind.

Doesn't matter. The all-powerful MLBPA will prevent anything from happening. The NFL got it right by keeping its players mostly powerless. They're like beggars compared to the MLB players.

Well, if half of them are on it, why not just make it fair and mandatory? ....that's a joke

Rumors stating Clemens and Pettitte are listed are no shock at all!

They could of left Kile and Caminiti off the list. I think their families have gone through enough

Breaking news: Mr.Met is listed in the mitchell report

I'm glad my kids are hockey fanatics and barely notice baseball. Hate to have dinner conversation go "Yes kids, you idols are cheats".

download and read report here:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/index.jsp

This is the last time Mr. Met was seen:

409 pages? Cant the table of contents just list "here's the list of players you are looking for.........Pg 1" ?

i agree,

did see how many checks and receipts Jason Grimsly had. I figured he would of been throwing heat after all the checks he cut

Haha, that's the first thing I looked for. There's a good number of players named starting on page 242, along with about a paragraph of evidence.

It's from a LEGAL document you bastids.

the news agencies will distribute LISTS based on this.
That's what interns are for.

:P

Quick Google:

Baseball been berry berry good to them. Steroids been even better.

Between no cap and juicing baseball is a joke with zero credibility.

MLB, WWF

Hehehehehe...

may have been easier to list who wasnt involved.

Selig's Press conf on now

They couldn't do that cause a lot of this so called "evidence" is based on one guy who thinks he might have saw something. The other problem with this report is that a lot of the guys on the list were only mentioned in the report as some sort of "connection" to performance enhancing drugs. Mitchell better have some cold hard proof on clemens and pettite cause otherwise i smell a giant lawsuit....

BTW...I read all 409 pages cause i was really bored.

I wouldn't doubt if Clemens really did steroids. C'mon pitchers throughout history have declined after 35 except he got better. And not just better but dominant enough to win 3 Cy Youngs. It appears that the 1999-2000 Yankees had about 5-6 steroid users. :o

Yeah, I wouldn't have expected Clemens, but now that the cat's outta the bag, I'm really not all that surprised. I remember one game the announcers were talking about how great shape Clemens was in, and how the younger guys couldn't even keep up with him, and that seemed a little strange, considering his age...
Well now we all know why...
:bag:

I was watching tonight's Islander gamer on steroids ~ And They WON :letssee:

This is not the correct list. This was a faked list that was going around the internet before the 2pm press conference.

Here's the actual list.

daily news

Salary caps are socialist. I'm glad baseball doesn't have one. If teams can't compete financially then they shouldn't be competing at all. In the real world, if businesses don't make money, they close. In sports what happens - the league bails them out by making life more difficult for the successful teams. How is that fair? MLB would be better off if they just axed teams rather than trying to level the playing field by having a luxury tax. No more Royals, Devil Rays, Nationals, etc. Fewer teams helps out the talent pool - only so many roster spots in the league, so the players have to be that much better to earn one. Teams could be more selective with talent. Let the market dictate prices.

And as for the steroids - who cares? I really don't see what the big deal is about these players taking steroids. Sure they might hit more home runs, but then they're at greater risk for injury not to mention other long-term health problems. If they really think taking the steroids is so worth it, then let them. Their bodies, their choice.

Furthermore, is no one else outraged that Congress is actually investigating this? The government is using valuable time and resources to REGULATE A GAME! This is MLB's problem, let THEM police it! Congress should be worrying about stuff like Iraq and cutting taxes, not about what Barry Bonds may or may not have taken. This whole thing has not altered my opinion of baseball, but it HAS damaged the little faith I had left in the government. This whole thing is absurd.

The only rumor seems to be from you. His name has not been mentioned at all. Of all the players that ARE named, why do you pick him?

Honus Wagner was on the 'roids. And Pee-Wee Reese took HGH.

See? I can make stuff up, too!

I was watching foxnews sports report update when I posted that and THAT name was mentioned.
MIKE PIAZZA, so was Varitek and Rodriguez and as it turned out all three weren't on the list/report.

Are you mad at me bammer?

Let me also debate this with you:

The government is dealing with Iraq, as they are dealing with crime and various economic issues.
The same way YOU prioritize your household duties.

Should EVERY politician ignore EVERYTHING and just focus on the mideast?
Why is "STEROID USE" an issue? And why should the government investigate?

Because it's illegal. It's not just about the sport. This generation is being raised by
marketing and false demigods that promote what's unattainable to most.
The fact that children in junior high school have used this crap is alarming.

We may or may not agree on this one -
Athletes should NOT be role models, but the fact is to many they are.

Again, when I started this thread, I went by what was said on news.
They mentioned guys they believed because of drastic physical differences in their bodies
and in Piazza's case the phyical breakdowns and frequent injuires late in a career that are usually associated with usage.

But yeah, I made the above up too, Bammer.

:angry: :thumbsdown:

The list isn't complete either, sosa isn't on that list. which may very well mean that piazza is missing from it too.

Baseball made themselves subject to congressional oversight when the petitioned congress for an anti-trust waiver way back when.

Well, also quite common with a 35+ year old catcher.

That is neither the fault of baseball nor the government. That's the fault of the parents. It is not the job of the government to yell at baseball players. Clearly the government is NOT prioritizing if they think this issue is so important. Steroids in baseball is FAR FAR down on the list of stuff the government needs to be concerned with. In fact, I would put it second to last, with the bottom of the list being taking the NFL Network and cable companies to task for not reaching a deal (really John Kerry, get back to work!). They just want to look like the big heroes who cleaned up sports so they can get re-elected.

There are other illegal things they can and should investigate. Harping on steroids solves nothing.

Sorry. No Piazza on that list. BTW...it is Jeter who's the "gay ballplayer in NY". Not Piazza. LOL (remember that rumor too?)

Another tough day for the Yankees. 9 Yankees from the 2000 team listed. Ouch.

I've never suspected Piazza. There were Mets over the years I have-- especially Bonilla and Franco.

I've been saying Clemens for years. Everyone goes on about Bonds physical transformation. Check out Roger's from when he left Boston to when he arrived in toronto. I'm so glad that got that piece of @#$% on the list. I like Petite so I'm not going to say bad stuff about him. I'm actually surprised by him because he doesn't seem like he bulked up even a bit since he came into the league.

I hope the voters do to hClemens what they did to McGuire and not let him in. In my mind, no one on that list should get in to the HOF.

And those who argue that the players "weren't breaking any rules" are full of it. Baseball banned steroids in 1989. They just didn't test for them. And steroids were illegal in the US to being with so players who used them were breaking the law.

In the real world McDonalds doesn't go to Burger King's restuarant to play a game and get half the gate either. McDonald's doesn't HAVE TO HAVE Burger King to survive.

MLB is a league and each team is a franchise to that league. They are not independent of the league. While I agree there are too many baseball teams, the union won't allow you to contract. And the Yankees won't make as much money if you start trimming away every small market team.

You'd be better off saying that the Yanks shouldn't have to deal with a cap because players in NY have to deal with higher state taxes, thus their salaries must be higher than say Florida's which has no state tax (with the exception of Jeter of course :rofl: )
Funny how the two leagues that have had a salary cap the longest...the NBA and NFL...seem to be doing better businesswise than those that don't.

So when Congress had hearings about organized crime in the 50's, that was a waste of time?

What about in the 50's when they had the hearings about corruption in television game shows? Also a waste of taxpayer time and money?

Last I checked, steroids are illegal in the United States. Therefore, it does come under the perview of the US Congress. Especially when you are talking about players who bring it in from, or go to, foreign nations like Mexico and Canada to get it. Additionally, due to baseball's "anti-trust" exemption which was granted by Congress, they must "peek in" on baseball from time to time.

I don't mind Congress getting involved. You'll notice that Selig couldn't get the Union to agree to testing until Congress threatened Donald Fehr.

What I do mind is that Congress made a sideshow of the hearing with McGwire. I wish McGwire had said to the parent who blamed baseball players because his kid died while on steroids, "where were you? I'm not your child's parent. You are. How did you not know your kid was on steroids? I don't know your child but you are supposed to live in the same house. How did you not know?" Then he should have turned to the Congressional panel and say, "shame on you! Don't you dare try to blame us for that child's death. I don't live in his house. I didn't put steroids in his hand. I didn't tell him to take them. And I would have known if it was MY CHILD in MY HOUSE."

Congress used those hearings as a distraction. It was a distraction from the way they were fracking up everything else from Iraq to Afghanistan to Katrina. In this small instance, Congress managed to get the Union to agree to testing. That is a good thing. The rest of it was just a dog and pony show.

1/3 of the yanks team in 2000.

What are those phrases they love to throw around...

"yankee tradition"

"true yankee"


:puke:

Who else plans to be on steroid's for tonight's Isle ~ Pitt game :dontknow:

Apples and furniture (I say that because apples and oranges are too similar).

Investigating organized crime is one thing, steroids and even the game shows are completely different. Those are victimless crimes. Everybody on the game shows knew what they were getting into. It was entertainment. If the government was able to force game shows to stop tinkering with results, then why is pro wrestling allowed to exist? That's all pre-determined, too!

Same with baseball - the only ones hurt by steroids are the players themselves. Fans and owners actually benefit, because as Tom Glavine said in the Nike commercial "Chicks dig the long ball." Home runs are exciting. Home runs put butts in the seats. Steroids bring home runs. Everybody wins.

Neither scenario involves theft or murder, like the organized crime. And as for steroids being illegal, that has nothing to do with a congressional hearing. Are you telling me that Congress investigates EVERY person who commits ANY kind of crime? No! If anything, then this is a matter for the FBI not Congress. The FBI is paid to investigate, not Congress. That's what the Federal Bureau of Investigation is for, isn't it? To INVESTIGATE? Let Congress worry about the budget, and NAFTA, and treaties, etc. Their job is not to wag a finger at baseball players and say "Shame on you."

The only reason Congress investigated organized crime - and even Communists - was simply to be re-elected. Keefauver and McCarthy could say "Hey! Look at me! I cleaned the country up! Nevermind the fact that I vastly overstepped the parameters of my job! Nevermind that I spent countless tax dollars just to look good - because I DO look good! Sunshine and smiles! White picket fences! Vote for me!" At least Keefauver chose a target that was legitimately committing serious crimes.

Here's a thought - can Congress hold hearings on any Blue Jays accused of doing steroids, or is Parliament going to get involved?

Jerry Koosman man who played with the Mets from 1967 to 1978 and later played for the Whitesox, Twins and Phillies ending his carrier in 1985
Is being investigated by Major League Baseball for taking & abusing steroid hormone growth drugs.
It seems during his 18 year Major League carrier Jerry hit 2 home runs.
One home run was hit in 1968 and the 2nd home run in 1977,
Which raises a ! Red Flag ! that "KOOZ" must have been on steroids the days he hit the 2 home runs.
Jerry who had 612 plate appearances in his carrier and had only .119 batting average is now under investigation by commissioner "Bud Cracky".
Jerry had "no comment" on these allegations when questioned by reporters.

They are not victimless crimes. Both are frauds. The gameshows claim to be on the up and up but weren't. While contestants were in on it (not all were) the audience wasn't. Wrestling hasn't claimed to be anything but staged since the 70's so there is your apples to turnips.

Congress granted baseball "anti-trust" status which basically among other things granted MLB a monopoly and Congress does have the power to regulate them just like they do your cable rates. Therefore, Congress does have a responsibility to invenstigate it. I do agree with you that Congress was less than pure in its motives, but they did put enough pressure on the union to get the Union to agree to testing. The players union would have never allowed it if it were just the owners pressing that issue.

I really don't understand your outrage on this. Congress actually did something good (though not for pure motives as you pointed out). They made a dent in the 'roid issue in sports...and it is an issue. I don't want Clemens or Bonds breaking records if they can't do it clean. I don't want them in the HOF if they didn't do it clean. Funny, people will make a big deal about Clinton or Obama or Bush breaking the law with drug use over a decade ago and not getting caught. They are no deemed, "unfit" for the White House by some. But players who don't get caught using illegal drugs (which enhance performance) should be given a free pass because their union made it so they couldn't get caught at the time???

I don't think so.

Keep Clemens, Bonds, Sheffield, Justice, Palmero and anyone else found to have used out of the HOF.