We played very good early and couldn't finish the first few games and now we don't show up for the beginning of the game, fall behind 3-0 then start playing good at the end. Maybe by Christmas we will play a complete game.

I'm really thinking that this team is gonna need a more kick ass coaching staff before these kids get too used to losing games that they should be winning. Our defense was absolutely brutal in the first half of this game. It's gonna be another very long season. :disgraced:

funny, i noticed how bad our "defense" was since pre-season.

but hey....we're rebuilding, right? :disgraced:

Growing pains don't equal wins.

No, but playing hard for a full 60 minutes would certainly equal some wins.

Tomorrow... we play 59 minutes. Come on, we can do it!!

And this needed a new thread? couldn't this be said in the gameday?

:dontknow:

should just make a negative thread where all negative comments can be made... it would fill up instantly the way this team looks... get ready for another top 3 pick..

Is that such a bad thing at this point?

I would take Hall on Tavares wing with Okposo. Package Nielsen and Bergenheim for some Defenseman. Develop DeHaan and Ness. And good things will come.

Might as well delete the rest of the board then! :thumbsup:

I am sorry Webb. I am not very message board savvy as I have put things where they don't belong more than once without knowing. I will try to figure out the rest of the site as this is really the only part I have come to and posted on.

DONT SWEAT IT PETE
I PROMISE WE WONT BEAT YOU ABOUT IT


OK A LITTLE :rolleyes:

Have to agree with all of that. At this point it looks like Tavares and Okposo and not much else after that. Have to be impressed with Moulson, but he needs to prove he can continue being effective.

Don't worry, we have a move, merge, split, close and delete thread buttons. ;)

He does??? I'd say 6 points in 6 games are a good start for Moulson. For now, he's a keeper.

6 PTS IN 6 GMS
14 MORE POINTS FOR THE SEASON
AND HE'LL BE A TOP POINT GETTER FOR THE SEASON
GOING BY PAST PERFORMANCES :disgraced:

WE WANT A WIN! Just one, Gordon. Let's not go 20 games before you make a change because 0-17-3 is going to be impossible to stomach.

Snow and Gordon need to pack their bags. The New England Revolution is not working.

YOU KEEP FORGETTING
ITS THE BUILDINGS FAULT

The building used to skate much faster when it was younger.

Yes, he does. I'm sorry but journeyman players don't earn permanent spots on the roster because of 6 good games.

Why not just get rid of Gordon? Why does Snow have to leave...yet?

we are in an important period in our history.. i think we would want an experienced coach to lead these young guys in the right direction.. im getting fed up with gordons overspeed .. too many times this team is dead in the 3rd period...

Snow Man,

What are your thoughts about Bailey? Want to give two more weeks before we discuss him?

I know it is something that people don't focus on greatly, but being one of (if not the) the worst teams in the league on draws really hurts us. Mike Sillinger carried his weight just on that end.

I am happy we drafted JT, no doubt about it, but I do see why I thought Hedman would help the team and develop faster.

Build winners? NOOOO!!!!!!!!! We have to build system practitioners who can make our coach, GM and owner look brilliant for going outside the box.

Bailey could be suffering from the "WTF did I do to deserve being drafted by that idiot" syndrome many have and will suffer through. Comeau....second round pick who showed something under Nolan....now will be lucky if he's any more memorable than Mike Walsh. Tavares will shine and be remembered after Wang firesales him. Okposo the same. The Isles are just as bad if not worse than the 1990's neglected teams, but thi time is different because Milstein never got this far with the real estate deal and didn't have a cap. So legit talent mishandled, F.Potvins brought in to give us hope, young defensemen are lame, forewards never developed or coached into form on our roster and fans continue to hope this time will be different.

Prepare to be pantsed again.

You have a kid you want to do well in life? Would you prefer gambling on a school that could do better when you can go and send the child to a known, accomplished private school?

Would you wait one year to find better or wait and see if the school you were banking on would improve?

A home for your family in Brentwood, or Far Rockaway....or shoot for Glen Cove or maybe aim higher?

Are there better coaches than Gorton? Are there better GM's than GMG? How about interviewing them? One says yes....buh bye, losing.

Even Shawn Bates had a stretch of 6 games like this, even hotter if I believe. I like what Moulson is doing, but let's see it continue or him be somewhat consistent for a while first.



I am convinced Gordon must go. Now over a year in the NHL and what has he accomplished except surviving coaching a last place team for more than a season.
:dontknow:

You're right Webb....it's time for Gordon to go. Make the change, this team looks lost. Can't blame everything on youth or rebuilding. A rebuilding team should show signs of getting better, I don't see it. Skating and effort is great, but if you're wasting energy out of position, then it's all for not.

Why is it Gordon's fault?

Is Ron Wilson a bad coach because the Leafs suck too? No.

Being out of position is the players fault, isn't it?

Defense is lacking... and not for nothing, but Tavares was stripped of the puck three times yesterday. You can't score if you lose the puck and a rush up ice takes off.

I'd like to see Witt in the press box for a few games. I think that's that only thing that will actually HELP his +/-

Dee,

You know how patient I have been with Snow and his performance as GM. I think he's had a bunch of "clean up" to do after whole MM debacle and having to clean house of crappy picks and leaving the cupboards bare of prospects. I like the moves he's made so far. there are others I wish he had made, but so far I'm not dissatisfied with Snow's performance.

However, on the case of Gordon I am having problems. Under Gordon's tenure we have seen this team throw away tons of 3rd period leads from simply not skating in the third period. Now, I understand the issue of "growing pains" and that a rebuild takes time. However, we are not a "kid team" from top to bottom. Who are the kids we have playing? We have Bailey, KO, Tavares, Schremp, and Moulson who seem to be the regs with less than 3 nhl seasons experience in the lineup right now. That means we have guys like Park, Weight, Hunter, Gervais, Witt, Martinek, Sutton, Streit, Rollie, Biron who are not kids.

So why has this team consistently STOPPED competing in the third period for now 87 nhl games under the Gordon tenure?

I really don't care much about "systems". There are plenty of good systems if it is taught right and players buy in. What I'm looking for is PROGRESS. Granted we are only 6 games into the new season, but what PROGRESS has been made over last year?

Well, we have two players who look like they can easily crack the 60 point mark in Tavares and Okposo. That is progress.

We still have nothing other than Streit playing as a consistent top 4 dman. Gervais looks like a rookie without a map and compass out there. This is NOT progress over last year.

We aren't competing in the third period of games. THIS IS THE WORST SIGN OF "NO PROGRESS". If we see that it happens some night and not others...fine because it would be a step in the right direction. But this team is DONE playing at the 40 minute mark EVERY NIGHT. And that does fall on the coach just as much as it falls on the players.

I'm not ready to can Gordon yet, but I'm getting there. What THE KIDS need to know most of all is the idea of ACCOUNTABILITY. They are accountable for what transpires on the ice and the coach is accountable for the performance of the team. PERHAPS the best lesson our kids can get on the idea of accountability is seeing the coach go if this continues. If the top of the food chain can go, what does it mean for the guppies?

When the puck is on your stick more than any other teammate, the chances of being stripped increase.

MAYBE YOU HAVENT FOLLOWED SPORTS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW
"YOU CANT FIRE THE WHOLE TEAM" FIRST THE COACH GM IS NEXT

AND FOR SOMEONE WHO GETS ALL GUSHY OVER "THE WRECKER" AND HIS PROMISE
PLEASE DONT EVEN START CRITIQUING THE FRANCHISES PLAY

AND IF YOU DO SEE WITT IN THE PRESSBOX
DO US ALL A FAVOR AND PUSH HIM OVER THE LEDGE WHEN HE LEANS OVER

I don't want to comment on Bailey yet Tin. Not fair to rip him apart after a few games. Believe me, I really, really want to because I am disgusted with his play. But it's very early. I will wait until November before that happens.

Taking this step by step, to answer why it's Gordon's fault, the answer is because the team looks absolutely lost. They play a good 20 minutes, and then at the first sign of adversity they fold up like a lawn chair. It took 5 games for him to sit Bruno, who is absolutely awful, in favor of Hillen who is absolutely a more talented player. Being out of position on specific plays is a player's fault. Being out of position constantly in all areas is the coach's fault, yes. Because either the coach is not teaching things properly, or the coach is simply not getting through to his players.

The defense is absolutely lacking, you are correct about that. That's because the defense is horrible. However, who are you going to sit Witt in favor of? Bruno? I'd rather have Dale Purinton than Bruno, and I mean that with every inch of my being. Witt knows what he's doing. He is old and broken down. He gets slower every season. Snow should have realized this might happen when he extended his contract. The only thing that would help Witt's +/- is if he suddenly starts putting up 50 points a year. When he was a top defensive defenseman, he had years where he was plus and was putting up 9 or 10 points a year. Now that he's slowing down, OF COURSE he would be a minus player.

And on Tavares, he's 6 games into his NHL career and he's 19 years old. He's never played in a league where guys backcheck as fast and as hard as they do in the NHL. He's used to having about 1 or 2 seconds of extra time every time he touches the puck. It's an adjustment that every player has to go through. He will learn very quickly that he needs to get rid of the puck faster, and he will. Unfortunately, it seems to be something that Josh Bailey still hasn't learned.

What disappoints me about Gordon is that it takes him much too long to make necessary adjustments to right the ship. Last season there was that stretch in December where the team could barely manage to score, suddenly DP is rushed back and they win a game. But the slump continues until January when Gordon starts playing Danis more. I want more action from Gordon to right the ship before we're halfway down the toilet.

DONT FORGET BY THAT TIME THE NHL WAS GOING
WHO'S AFTER THESE GUYS

CAUSE THEY SURE AS HELL HAVENT CONTINUED THEIR GREAT STRIDES
WE THOUGHT THEY WERE MAKING LAST YEAR

okay first off. Who the heck is Gordon supposed to replace players with? Who do we have to replace? The team sucks.



And I still don't understand the reason to keep bringing up rechlicz if your not even going to play the guy. To give him some quality minutes, whatever that is.

There are some guys in Bridgeport who are better hockey players than a few guys we have playing on the Islanders. Either way we'll still be a bad team, but at least we won't be as bad.

No, there aren't. Let's not get lost in a pipe dream of more unproven talent.

I'd like to see Gordon light a fire under this team's ass. Snow needs to light one under Gordon. And Wang needs to light one under Snow. Trickle up.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you, but you're wrong. The only reason Trevor Smith isn't here and Jeff Tambellini is is because Tambellini has a one-way contract. Smith is better than Tambellini, Jackman, Thompson, and Rechlitz. That's not a pipe dream, that's reality. Same can be said for Joensuu and Greg Moore.

Please name them. Other than Tambelini, I'm not sure I'd agree with you. Jesse J didn't show much in camp.