In other news today:

Wang: OK Lighthouse or Else

I'm not sure sure how much LI care about the Isles. This is America, no one cares about history and preserving culture, it's an afterthought to most. Everything is about money first.

IF I CAN GET A CONDITIONAL DRAFT PICK
I'LL HELP PACK :P

lighthouse deal or else....like what is he going to do, move? has a lease, can't be broken...sell the team then..to the fans..

People care about the Isles. As soon as they announced the KC game, the Lighthouse Project got the press it's been lacking for a long time. Make no mistake, if it wasnt for that announcement they would have never gotten the environmental probe this quickly. That was because of public pressure.

Unfortunately, the greatest public outcry you would ever hear is when they announced they were moving. That is when it would really hit home for people. Hopefully it never gets to that point.

You kill me! :rofl:

The lease CAN be broken as long as the TOH passes this through. Then it's 120 days or else...

Now, I think popular belief is that once it gets to the County that it will pass through quickly. But if it does die in the TOH, then they will leave after 2015. They will NOT renew the Coliseum lease.

they dont even buy tickets... they are going to buy the team???

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Quote of the Year. :lol:

Seems a lot of you play right into Newsday's hands./

This was no news at all and nothing new.

All the article did was look at the submitted EIS during the recent meeting which is on the lighthouse website where it said here

7.1 NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE
The no-action alternative assumes that the physical conditions on the subject property
remain as they currently exist. However, as explained in Section 2.0, if the
transformation of the Coliseum is not accomplished, the New York Islanders and the
New York Dragons1 will cease to use this facility, and the existing lease, which expires in 2015, will not be renewed.

That's the entire basis of today's article.

The same writer who only interviewed Islander fans after the meeting and made it seem like an Islander fan-only project (with Rieber) just played some of you again like this was some brand new threat from Wang, who even sat down with Newsday after this was submitted.

Logan goes and get anonymous quotes from the players (second year running) to stir up on one end and stopped short of writing the Isles broke league rules on Hunter saturday despite him in a cast at practice.

Laikin makes it seem like only Islander fans went to the meeting despite all the business people there and now puts this out like it's breaking news.

You ever think Newsday just wants their 300m back for TV rights and the Isles out?

I guess they play on driving Islander fans away because some will believe anything in a newspaper.

Just remember lead editor John Mancini of Newsday was practically fired and off the job five days with others because a story about the Knicks Dolan did not like was in th paper here.

Management hasn't given the fans ANY reasons to buy tickets.

All of Newsday, both the front and the back is slanted with their agenda, and the Islanders are not in their interests, period. They cut, ever so meagerly, into what Dolan feels is his, whether it's the TV rights or the money fans spend on hockey. I'm sure it irks him for every dollar spent on hockey that's not spent on the Rags.

Newsday doesnt report, it editorializes.

More garbage from Newsday. Wang should buy his own paper, maybe we'd see some positive Islander coverage.

Winning hockey games would generate positive coverage. What Wang has done is put the cart before the horse in this battle. If he had properly managed his personnel who make decisions, he wouldn't be in a position to beg. A winning hockey team would give him more juice to get his deal.

I just never got the point of the article. Was there anything in that article we weren't told already?

Agreed Shooter. If we were the conference champs or just had a very real chance of bringing home the cup with a solid team, then there would be much more pressure on all the politicians to get this deal in place. Now it's 'but why should we give him the farm for a team that barely can be considered an NHL team'.

I disagree.

Wang has owned the team since 2000. He has lost $20-30 million dollars a year - he renovated the dressing rooms and built Iceworks all at his own expense. He bought out Yashin and offered DP the first major long-term contract that has beem imitated numerous times since. He also stepped up and got Smyth at the deadline.

You cannot ask more from Mr. Wang than he has given. Did he always make the right decision? Clearly, that's a no. But I really don't think putting a winning product on the ice would put anymore pressure on the town or would make Wang make significantly more money to overcome the losses. This process has been years int he making and he, until recently, did not make any threats about moving, etc. Now, it has come to this. There is only 1 major tennant to the NVMC and the county and town stand to lose MUCHO DINERO if they don't get their act together.

Blah, blah, blah- so goes the words we hear from the politicos. Good for Wang- let him state his case, get quoted, take advantage of the media frenzy (however small it might be) and make the lifelong politicians finally earn some of what they're paid.

Now I have recently been a bit condescending to the owner, but this is exactly what needs to be done, and often.

Politicians will only act for two reasons, and both are very similar- They will either act to do something everyone wants so they ge re-elected or they will act when the public pressure is great enough, so they get re-elected. It is amazing to see how far and fast a project moves along when either of these scenarios present themselves.

And they only present themselves when the public puts the pressure on.

Keep pushing and get it done.

Wang lost $200-300M with this team?

WOW! I'll have to tell Forbes who rated his losses in the twenty somewhat million dollar level, without using the cable money he gets annually. They'll have to print retractions for every year they did an NHL tean valuation.


Losing money is a sign of mismanagement combined with a refusal to correct the problems. If he bought out SMG, he'd make money. If he fielded a better front office, he's get better results and a better product and make money.

So I have to feel sorry for a bad businessman because he refuses to stop bleeding money with inept decisions?

I have to support his being owner for life with his deal because HE CLAIMS he's losing 20-30 million a year fallaciously?

No dice.

If he was a good owner, I'd support the Lighthouse on a smaller scale. Right about now after 9 years of Wang, I support his being incarcerated for the stock fraud he committed but apparently got out of with some help/influence.

As for the contracts.....sure were brilliant moves, eh? Two imitators or three, all brilliant players, and we have our enigma and injury case......that's not imitation, that's others showing us the right way to do it.


Seriously, the owner has given us squat, we're a joke every summer and we're hoping he becomes owner for life now. He's even threatening to remove our team from us unless he gets his real estate sweetheart deal. I swear mobsters use less threatening tones to collect.

Bullshit......without him, they would be in KC or Vegas already. The guy is a much better owner than you give him credit for. He bought the Islanders their own plane (they used to ride f#@king commercial). He gave them the Fathers Trips. He had a promotion every night one year. Honored Al Arbour. Spend a shitload with Yashin, Peca and Osgood. Started a trend of long term contracts that ALL teams are now copying. SMG wanted WAAAAAY to much for the buy out and was promised by Nassau County that the lease with SMG would be removed but it never was.

Wang saved the Islanders, simple as that. You all are just pissed that the guy isn't Steinbrienner who spends 3 trillion dollars on players and still can't win a World Series. You want him gone, watch the Isles leave right behind him.

Ok, when I clicked on this thread, the last thing I expected was to laugh out loud.

Thank you!

:rofl: :cheers:

glad someone checks in with reality whenever Wang becomes a topic :thumbsup:

Wang has lost 38 million in his time here. He bought the club for 188M and it's worth 150M now. He takes that depreciation into account whenever he states how much money he's lost.


And any operating losses he takes, if any, he looks at as the cost of investment in the 3 gazillion dollar Lighthouse project. If he truly was losing money hand over fist, year after year, and being the great business man that he's suppose to be, dont you think he would've sold by now? I dont buy that the loses are hurting him, otherwise,after 9 years, we'd be complaining about a different owner.

Do I have to remind anyone of the instability of ownership before the Age of Wang?

* There was Pickett who in the late eighties/early ninties gave up on the team.

* There was Spano - enough said.

* There was the gang of four - two of which were arrested just last week.

* There was also the other clowns that staged a walkout of the Coliseum (stupid, low-road tactic that made the org look like a Mickey Mouse operation).

All this is semantics right now with the Lighthouse articles and projection of fearing the worst.

The ONLY question I have is this.

When we saw Wang and Bettman palling it up and laughing in the suite at the Coliseum on Monday night when we played the Avs...
was that because Bettman is supporting this project or assuring Wang that he'll find a better
place for him to make a profit?

The NHL makes money on this too so they have a vested interest.

Then again, for all we know, they may have been laughing at Wang's attempt
to pronounce Jesse Joensuu.

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man u are on a roll today :rofl: :rofl:

:fear:

Hahaha

Umm.....no.

Plane is a write off, depreciated expense, etc.

Without Wang, the Gutkowski group would have had a final meeting with the President of SMG and set up further meetings if necessary. The arena would have been replaced and done. SMG gone or reworking their deal, the club would be in the hands of a local sports fan and partners.

ALL the teams are not copying....just a select few and those are teams signing players WORTH IT.

He has done nice things like the fathers trip but he's also told fans before UFA starts, they renew OR LOSE HEIR SEATS.

SMG was involved with Wang getting the team so if you recall in 2002, Wang breached the subject of condemming the lease or working a buyout deal but it went away silently, quickly.

I don't care that we spend league minimum....I've been a die hard fan probably longer than you've been alive, but I know the man is a criminal, he's hired lackies to do his books at CA, hires lackies to do his jobs on LI......he's all about CONTROL.

You want to explain to me why he gave himself a record bonus the first year of the SEC inquiry that was investigating the defrauding of investors by cooking the books (which makes me wonder how good his books are at NYI?) and misreporting profit with a misrepresentation made part and parcel of accounting via a 13 month calendar to show how much CA made?

Now if Wang sells......you wanna bet we actually have wealthy people on LI that can buy them? NYC? Someone interested in a new and approved arena deal?



Wang apologists refuse to see anything but sunshine but his character is truly questionnable and his deeds color the man a scheister.


Now reward him the whle plan and watch him sell a losing asset to KC so he can bring the Nets home to NY.

Or worse.....keep the Isles and run them further into the ground than he has so far.



Forbes lists all his losses if you care to look it up, and it includes the plane our hero bought, includes everything but the money he recieves from Dolan as that asset is not part of the NYI. Look it up.




And Steve, that was classic!

And this means we are better off now? None of those guys threatened fans and government with moving to Kansas City and none of them made a legally binding clause in an agreement that allows the moving of the team.

Chuck is the worst of them all for this reason.

Pickett didn't care enough after time, his son held iterest in the team until Wang, Spano just had no money, The gang of four were inept and sold, Milstein wanted the land - just like Wang - but wasn't bight enough to use his "love" for the game as a carrot to entice approval.

Wang is no different.

And remind me where Sanjay Kumar is if you tell me half the Gang of Four is in prison.....

That's right, HALF THE WANG OF TWO is in prison :yea:


We could be soo much better off if MSG Prez Gutkowski and EMI Prez Koeppelmann were given more time to negotiate with SMG. Bob Gutkowski loved the sport and was going to fire Milbury and build a new arena right next to the NVMC, no BS, no demands, no threats on a fanbase.....just for the love of the game.....and a tidy profit.

You can blame Senator Al Damato for getting Wang involved, I wanted Gutowski to by the team. We would have been better off. Now were all suffering...Will it ever end, Bob Gutowski please buy the team and save us from an inept dictator.. :isles:

I wish there were some insight as to whether or not they both want to buy us....

Koeppelmann made a KILLING the years after Wang stained Uniondale. They both have the bucks and SMG is almost gone......would they bite? At a 15-20% discount on the original price thanks to mismanagement? :worthy:

They couldn't threaten a move. The lease is until 2015 and none of those owners had an opt out that Wang now has from the county if the Lighthouse doesn't go through.

You might not like the way Wang runs things and thats fine. But enough about how there were other people on LI who would by this team or there will be.

Where the FFFF were they? I think the only people to not own the Islanders in the 90's were Long Islanders. Everyone else seems to have bought them at one time. So where the FFFF are all these LI companies or individuals who are ready to pony up?

Who's going to pony up to buy a team that is valued at 30 mill less in a stadium falling apart and a town govt that has its head up its butt...

Guys from KC, Hamilton Ont and Steve Winn...that's who and last I checked they aren't "LI investors"

If Wang had not bought the team things would be worse if not non existant for the Isles. To believe otherwise is to believe in Peter Pan as well or the boy who cried wolf, because you are in fantasy land or just making it up.

BTW- just because you've been an Isles fan since year one doesn't make your opinion right or "better". I have been a fan since 72 as well and mine isn't better than yours, its just different than yours.

Gutowski would have been better? Really? How do you know? You must own a crystal ball with all of the Miss Cleo crap you posted.

:applause: to Clebo and I4C

ty... I'm just tired of all the revisionism and the soothsaying that goes on sometimes

speaking of which....shouldn't Ms. Cleo have seen the bankrupcy & legal problems coming?

Wang is the best owner this team has had in 2 decades. I stand by him and trust him.

The lease only lasts until 2015, then they can move it anywhere they want.

6 years to get something done.

A new building should take 2 years tops to build.