Post any rumors here......

Well I "heard" from a dealer who "heard" from "someone" that "sometime" their will be two larger V-TWIN engines coming out....

2?

was told...2...one about 700cc and the other....well larger.




Sometime....

Very interesting, Do we have a review on it yet?

Once I figure how to sit on a RUMOR

Does looking at a possibly similar engine then doing a write-up count as a review?

I know where it does...

What's their biggest engine so far? Regardless of configuration.

Butt it's going to take at least 8 days for it to be posted...

500cc Kymco EXCITING 500
In EU...HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS...



EXCITING 500 TOPIC...

that's a single cylinder...

So how hard would it be to turn that into a V2? If not too difficult, that could account for one of the two larger V2's...

I'm just speculating but it seems to me the main market that would benifit from from a larger engine would be the USA. It appears that it's all they can do to get in enough venox 250 here now.

Their main focus traditionally has been scooters with a big push into ATV's more recently.

Dispite what some other forums think and say, the USA has not been nor do I expect it to be a dominating part of their business plan for quite some time. Yes the larger V-TWIN is whats needed to boost the credability of the name here away from being considered "just a starter bike". (though those of us who ride it know differently)

1..scooters...
2..ATV's

distant 3rd.
3..motorcycles

That's certainly the "vibe" I get as well -- scooters first, motorcycles last...

Even if the V2's are factual, there seems to be no mention of what these engines are going to be slotted into... that in itself will take more time.

The venox could certainly accept a larger engine up to about a 750cc. But would want something completly different like HYO did with the GV's. Unless at the same time the "supposed" second and even larger engine came out with a completly different body.

I expect when it finally does happen that the 700cc or so will be shoved into the venox with very few changes and the "second larger" engine will be much later.....hope I'm wrong.

Originally, the GV & GT 250 frames were going to hold the 650 engine, but testing found out that this wasn't a good idea, hence the new machines, for example the GT650 frame is a claimed 60% stiffer than the GT250 frame... so depending on the output of the engine (and testing) who can say whether it would be wise to put up to a 750cc engine into the Venox 250's frame, unless they strengthen it up, and if they're going to do that, then why not design a whole new bike?

The same reason (in rumour) is why the 1000/1200cc Hyosung engine is being delayed... one will recall that it was supposed to be here in 2004, but now it looks to be 2008! The reason again, is some form of technical problem... so no doubt they're probably redesigning/remaking new frames for the new engines... and hence the extra time delay...

Very vaild points. But I "think" (but since I have not sat on one I'm not sure) that they used a larger engine in the Honda magna using the same frame overseas...mainly speculating ,but I've seen some photo's that looked like it...

Providing the physical space is big enough, it would be quite possible to put in a larger engine were it to be in say your traditional cruiser 45 degree V2 -- as we know those buggers are quite "sedate"... I certainly would be reticent in putting in a much larger 90 degree V2 sport bike engine! :blink:

Of course, i'm not an engineer... so it's all fanciful conjecture... :lol:

JUST POSTED AT CLUBVENOX...

KYMCO LARGER ENGINE, from the Milan show...CLICK HERE !!!

IDB Awards & (700cc SCOOTER), (KYMCO) & (Yamaha Taiwan).......CLICK HERE !!!

Couple of things "jump" out at me... "Venox custom"... "take engine of Shadow" (I was thinking Honda Shadow for some reason)... and "naked" (I was thinking a naked sports bike)...

Rumours... which then get "lost in translation"! :lol:

I think your right on both counts....thats why I used 4 different translators (not just the two I posted)

SHADOW = HONDA SHADOW
NAKED = SPORTS BIKE

Well, the naked sounds right, because it's prefaced by "not very distant future"... and looking at google, there are Honda Shadow 700's... of course not being made anymore...

Exactly....just like the Magna 250 not made any more.

The thing though... did they have to wait this long? When the Magna 250 stopped production, the Venox took off... it makes sense, the gap was small... but the time frame between the 700 Shadow and now is just too long! They really could've done it earlier!

This is how I see it based on the information that I have seen...
(public & confidential)

Sure, I remember you posted that! But I would think that "borrowing" an engine/bike like they did with the 250 Venox, certainly takes a lot less resources than say developing your own engine/bike chassis etc... and something that would still fit into the "distant third" category...

F.Y.I.

They just borrowed the "chassic..etc" the engine (supposedly) is a unit developed by KYMCO.
We have an article about it.

But a whole new bike IS a different story...

By borrow I mean, it's based upon (hence the word "borrow" in inverted commas) the 250 magna engine, just like the Hyosung 650 engine is based upon the SV650 engine... both engines are not identical but they are based upon.

TRUE...

Bruce wasn't the one who said something to the effect of "loose lips sink ships" response when you first asked the question right?

No that was Joe Wofford(V.P. Operations)

Bruce is (V.P.Sales & Marketing)....but it is still true.. :ok:

I just forgot who was who is all... at the same time, Joe's estimation of the number of Venoxes in the US was way off! So with regard to other info...

:ok:

Here let me set this up....

This was "overheard" by one of our members from a Kymco Rep talking to a Kymco dealer.....so.....

Kymco already has a 500cc Scooter: the XCITING 500 which we recieved in the USA around July/Aug...I think their is a 500cc ATV also(not sure).

In the past I have heard rumors about 700cc and 750cc motorcycles but not 800cc....


CLICK PHOTO:

Seeing is believeing and until Kymco actually makes a press release to the public, I doubt they are doing anything.

With their lack of responsiveness to their existing customers (regarding the Venox), it sounds like they almost wish the Venox would die off so they can throw more money into scooters and ATV's.

I personally don't think Kymco is poised to do battle with the big manufacturers already represented here. I'm not sure how Hyosung is doing in the US, but it seems they were struggling hence the agreement with UM to put more of their bikes in more showrooms. (Just my $0.02)

I may be way off base, and hope I am, but like I said, the proof will be in a press release.

EMAIL sent to Bruce R.

EMAIL sent to KYMCO CANADA:

while youre at it - see if they have any openings in their design and exhaust design departments - ahahahaha

;)