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slimdiggie - June 3, 2008 12:51 AM (GMT)
I noticed there was a nail in my back tire. I assume the guy that drove it to my house ran it over. My tire isn't flat but, whats the best way to get this fixed? I know it's a tubeless tire but, wasn't sure where to go from here.


P.S
I am going to get some pics tomorrow of both bikes together where should I post the bikes.


slim

obxbiker - June 3, 2008 12:55 AM (GMT)
Plug it... there are a ton of different places to get a ''kit''.
Suggest you carry one with you ALL the time.

slimdiggie - June 3, 2008 12:56 AM (GMT)
Do i need to take the tire off the bike to plug it? should I higher someone to do it? What kids would you recamend?

Thanks,
Slim

management - June 3, 2008 12:57 AM (GMT)
PHOTOS


How about posting your bike photos in our on site Photobucket PHOTO GALLERY ?

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There are some ''how to'' topics and login links at the top there.

THEN request your own personal MEMBER GALLERY/FORUM and we can set up a topper slideshow where you can add more pics to it as you have them. We can then also add this link to each of your posts.user posted image which will take everyone straight to your own personal MEMBER GALLERY/FORUM where YOU control the topics and whats in them. Its your own personal space.

To set the last one up you will also need to join the PIWYRfeatures Forum to post in and to view your own personal forum.

obxbiker - June 3, 2008 01:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (slimdiggie @ Jun 2 2008, 08:56 PM)
Do i need to take the tire off the bike to plug it? should I higher someone to do it? What kids would you recamend?

Thanks,
Slim

Should have said PLUG IT as long as its not in the sidewall... and I am also assuming the tire has good tread.


You can easily plug it right on the bike.
Go to your local motorcycle shop and see what they carry as a kit.If not auto acc. stores or online catalogs like DENNIS KIRK.
There are a lot of different ones out their, some 'basic' some with different pumps.

I carry the type with co2 cartridges to put air back in until I can get to a pump.
Here at the beach with all the vacation homes always being built a flat tire is pretty common. :okthumb:

slimdiggie - June 3, 2008 01:10 AM (GMT)
no it's not in the sidewall the bike has 1,649 miles on it that is kilometers right? The tires are pretty much brand new.

Do you take the nail out then patch it or do you do it over the nail?

slim

obxbiker - June 3, 2008 01:26 AM (GMT)
You take the nail out, thats why I have the co2 as you will lose air.

The better kits come with a tool that you push into the hole to ''clean''it out.
You then put a 'glue' on the plug (not a patch) and shove it way in with the same tool.
Then you cut off what still shows on the outside to make it flush.

Go to a pump and fill it up.

NOW ...no plugged tire is rated for HIGH SPEED LONG DISTANCE travel...

slimdiggie - June 3, 2008 01:32 AM (GMT)
how much should a new back tire cost? and how much should they cost to put it on?

slim

obxbiker - June 3, 2008 01:36 AM (GMT)
too much and two much...

there is a topic on the venox boards...can't remember but I think one of the tires is hard to come by so you have to get it through a kymco dealer (?)

tony_dt should know as a PIWYR Dealer Moderator....

gw555 - June 3, 2008 01:43 AM (GMT)
I have got one of those kits - they are brilliant although you should get the tyre fixed properly as soon as you can. I have used my kit three times in the last 12 months it makes doing a repair on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere a breeze.

Only thing is they are illegal here in NZ but you can still buy them from bike shops cant figure that out but...

slimdiggie - June 3, 2008 02:00 AM (GMT)
I have two Kymco dealers within 30-40mins of me. I guess I'll call both shops to see who can give me the best deal. for a new back tire, sucks I got to get my bike fixed before I even get a chance to ride it. :crap:

pops - June 3, 2008 02:04 AM (GMT)
:old: I plugged my back tire about two years ago and still doing fine. :chopper:

obxbiker - June 3, 2008 02:05 AM (GMT)
Just my opinion but I would wait ... as I do not think initially you will be letting it all out at speed.

I once plugged a rear tire right after I got Yellow Nox and forgot it , was fortunate not to have another until it was time to replace because of thread wear, then noticed it...NOT that I recommend it...

pops - June 3, 2008 05:11 AM (GMT)
:old: I do not recomend it as well and I had forgot mine till recently I plan on when I can putting a new tire on. I just kind of need to ride a little more so I can get there.

icedog - June 3, 2008 10:54 AM (GMT)
Most plug kits have explicit instructions to take the tire/tyre to a professional repairer ASAP. Many also do not include the glue component.

I have been running a performance car tyre with a DIY plug for over 50000 km without leak or taking it to a professional, maybe a bike tyre is higher-stressed though. Note that I added glue when I plugged the car tyre which may be relevant.

slimdiggie - June 3, 2008 09:48 PM (GMT)
looks like the tire they suggest is a

dunlop 150x80x15 for about 110 bucks with labor and tax i'm looking at about 200 bucks does that sound right?

slim

obxbiker - June 3, 2008 10:09 PM (GMT)
Slim, send a PM to tony_dt and run it pasr him.
He is one of our PIWYR Dealer Moderators he can give you a comparision I would think.

I have not had to buy a new tire for 2 years and have a freind who changes at no charge....

slimdiggie - June 4, 2008 12:28 AM (GMT)
ok so i was looking at my tire and it says

150/80-15 70H can I put a tire on my bike that is 150/80-15 80H?

What does the number

70H stand for?

Here are the pictures of my tire.

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I would assume this is in a no patch zone.

slim

obxbiker - June 4, 2008 01:01 AM (GMT)
NO PLUG ZONE... right on the edge = new tire

If I was on the road I would still plug it AND replace ASAP.

Did you send tony a PM ?

Dave - June 4, 2008 01:05 AM (GMT)
With these situations Slim it is always best to take your bike back to the shop for repairs. There are several repair options avaliable, one has already been well covered so far (although a plug repair should only be viewed as a temporary roadside repair job to get you home). The other repair option which is a long term solution is simular to the plug type but it also includes a patch as well (I just cant remember the damned proper name for this repair system). The repair process starts by taking the tyre off the rim and removing the nail. The hole is then prepared by using a spike that looks simular to a rat tail file, the immediate area around the hole on the inside of the tyre is ground back to make a good surface for the adhesive to bond to. Adhesive is then applied to the patch and the prepared area inside of the tyre respectively, once it becomes tacky the "patch" which also incorporates a plug as well is applied from inside the tyre so the plug section is pulled through the hole allowing the patch to cover the damaged area inside of the tyre. The plug is then trimed so it is flush with the surface of the tyre, the net result is a repair job that provides a long term fix, but it can only be done in the shop. Its not expensive as replacing the tyre but it does cost abit more than a standard plug repair. I'll post a few photo's of the gear tomorrow after Ive spent a day in the workshop. :evilgrin1:

slimdiggie - June 4, 2008 01:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (slimdiggie @ Jun 4 2008, 10:28 AM)
ok so i was looking at my tire and it says

150/80-15 70H    can I put a tire on my bike that is 150/80-15 80H?

What does the number

70H stand for? 

slim


What about this question?

tony_dt - June 4, 2008 01:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (slimdiggie @ Jun 3 2008, 11:32 AM)
how much should a new back tire cost? and how much should they cost to put it on?

slim

I think that the rear tire is like 70.00 for the OEM.

Usually costs 35$ off the bike. Different companies charge different prices for on the bike.

tony_dt - June 4, 2008 01:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (slimdiggie @ Jun 4 2008, 11:17 AM)
QUOTE (slimdiggie @ Jun 4 2008, 10:28 AM)
ok so i was looking at my tire and it says

150/80-15 70H    can I put a tire on my bike that is 150/80-15 80H?

What does the number

70H stand for? 

slim


What about this question?

obxbiker - June 4, 2008 01:29 AM (GMT)
sorry I'm aware of what the 150/80-15 is,... but not 70H vs 80H

pops - June 4, 2008 01:31 AM (GMT)
:old: That one I would plug and replace as ASAP

gw555 - June 4, 2008 06:22 AM (GMT)
That price you quoted was interesting for a new tyre, I am getting a new rear, a 150/70 ZR17, fitted on Monday and its costing me $NZ325.00 = $US254.00 so they are not that much cheaper over there

tony_dt - June 4, 2008 12:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (obxbiker @ Jun 4 2008, 11:29 AM)
sorry I'm aware of what the 150/80-15 is,... but not 70H vs 80H

Load and Speed rating. Both are good for the Venox as I am sure both values will not be exceeded.

The tire should fit but one thing to note is different tires will have different feel and handling.



I would replace. I have no problem plugging my old Jeep tires and ATV tires (and they have them) but on my Motorcycle I don't take chances.

obxbiker - June 4, 2008 12:21 PM (GMT)
:okthumb: Saw the link you posted, thanks ! :okthumb:

slimdiggie - June 4, 2008 10:06 PM (GMT)
I found out a lady I work with husband races street bikes and has a tire machine. I would imagine he should be able to put it on for me if I buy it.

The only companies I found that had the tire was

dunlap
bridgestone
maxxis (whats on my bike now) 69.99

i'm going to call this guy and see what he has to say..


I also talked with another company in town and he said that since it's tubless we could put a tube in it? ever heard of this patch?

slim

obxbiker - June 5, 2008 01:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
I also talked with another company in town and he said that since it's tubless we could put a tube in it? ever heard of this patch?


I have heard of it but never done it so I have no opinion... :smokin: :DontOpenLink:

tony_dt - June 5, 2008 03:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (slimdiggie @ Jun 5 2008, 08:06 AM)
I found out a lady I work with husband races street bikes and has a tire machine. I would imagine he should be able to put it on for me if I buy it.

The only companies I found that had the tire was

dunlap
bridgestone
maxxis (whats on my bike now) 69.99

i'm going to call this guy and see what he has to say..


I also talked with another company in town and he said that since it's tubless we could put a tube in it? ever heard of this patch?

slim

That's awsome Slim
. You need to become friends with that guy.

On puting a tube in a tubeless tire. Can't say I haven't done it because I do this on my dirtbike. (tubeless trials tires) and folks have had me put tubes in their ATV tires.

I am a big chicken on streetbikes though and haven't tried it but not saying it wouldn't work.

Interested in hearing other opinions. Pops?


icedog - June 5, 2008 02:13 PM (GMT)
I don't know so may be talking out the wrong end but I would think that if you could run a tube you could just as safely run a plug ???

slimdiggie - June 5, 2008 10:07 PM (GMT)
yea he said bring my bike by and he will change and balance my tire no problem. If he rides bikes at 160mph and changes tires all the time. I know I can trust him. Has anyone ever had other back tires then the Maxxis brand? if so what brand do you recamend?


slim

slimdiggie - June 5, 2008 10:36 PM (GMT)
will it effect my bike if I run a maxxis front tire and a dunlop rear??? or just a different brand from the front?

Geremy

pops - June 6, 2008 04:05 AM (GMT)
:old: I do not know they say not to but I have with out a problem just was care full to see how it was going to handle. But I am use to riding bikes with different style tires on each end as well as widths. :chopperfonda:

slimdiggie - June 8, 2008 09:19 PM (GMT)
2 weeks to go until my class. I talked with the guy that is going to put my tire on he said running a different brand isn't a issue at all. I guess I'm going to invest in a better Dunlop for my back and run the stock tire on the front (maxxis).

slim :cool:

slimdiggie - June 9, 2008 10:26 PM (GMT)
I guess no one wants to talk to me anymore lol...

anyways I talked to the local motorcycle shop and again they said just take the nail out and put a tube in it. A tube is 9 dollars a new tire is 90 bucks. I like the idea but, it's hard to understand that no one on here has done that? i'm going to be going about 30-60 on my bike.


slim

obxbiker - June 9, 2008 11:00 PM (GMT)
Sorry Slim I have been busy at the ZETAboard test site learning what needs to be done when we get converted...

Have not seen you there trying things out soooo...
http://s9.zetaboards.com/PrideInWhatYouRide/site/

As to the tube give it a go and then let us know.
Whats the total $$ installed ?

slimdiggie - June 10, 2008 01:09 AM (GMT)
Well a tire is about 80 bucks and I now a buy with a tire machine that will put it on for me for FREEE. But, a tube is 9 bucks so.... It's hard to compare. Since i'm a new rider i'm don't know if I should skimp on this situation..


slim

obxbiker - June 10, 2008 02:43 AM (GMT)
9 bucks plus free installation ?... TUBE IT




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