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I love this show! - March 22, 2007 02:09 AM (GMT)
I thought that was a really good one! Seemed more season one-ish (the basic format of how they approached the crime and went about profiling the arsonist) Really liked Hotch in this episode. Still very annoyed with how they are handling the Reid/drug thing. I just don’t understand why no one would confront him if they understand he’s in trouble (and the little explanation of an addict…..by the looks they gave him they seem to understand he could have been referring to himself. I just don’t think that would be realistic - why you would allow someone on the team to go down that path and do nothing! It’s just making me crazy!) Other than that - Great episode!

J.J. - March 22, 2007 02:39 AM (GMT)
They aren't handling the Reid/drug thing... Well aside from the knowing look Gideon, Hotch, and Morgan kind of had...

Other then that, there is something totally missing :( I like the end though, nice to see Hotch have a moment... My only problem is that an episode should be so good that I don't look at the clock... And I did, over three times...

I love this show! - March 22, 2007 02:40 AM (GMT)
Exactly, they aren't handling the Reid thing....that's what's driving me nuts! :angry:

A new thought.....do you think Hotch did the right thing by lying to that lady about her family? (just something to think about.) <_<

Kellie - March 22, 2007 03:08 AM (GMT)
I saw the episode and thought it was alright, but they really need to handle the whole Reid thing. I think they're dragging it out way too long... <_<

It was good to see some emotion from Hotch. I've never seen him act in such a manner and I think we all needed to realize how emotional Hotch can be. I also liked how they gave a bit of history about Hotch's father. However, to answer your question 'I Love This Show!', I'm sort of on the fence. I think he did do the right thing. He knew she was going to die, and by telling her that her family was okay, she was able to die in peace instead of being upset for her last moments. But, that's just my opinion! :)

Overall, I believe the case was weak, but the character development was good...except for the Reid thing...


I love this show! - March 22, 2007 03:18 AM (GMT)
I agree with you Kellie

Oh, and I guess I should have included my opinion too. I would have wanted Hotch to lie to me too.

danceprincess444 - March 22, 2007 03:49 AM (GMT)
The Reid Drug thing is starting to get really confusing.

The looks were very "I wonder if that means somthing" and Reid was very "I completly understand" and nothing.

I loved Hotch in the epi though. he was great especially at the end.

(haha, yes. I'm back!!)

ckb - March 22, 2007 04:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kellie @ Mar 21 2007, 10:08 PM)
However, to answer your question 'I Love This Show!', I'm sort of on the fence. I think he did do the right thing. He knew she was going to die, and by telling her that her family was okay, she was able to die in peace instead of being upset for her last moments.

Not on the fence at all. He was totally right to lie to her. What would be the reason he should tell her the truth. All it would do is to make her last minutes sad, and if there was the slightest chance that she might make it, knowing that her family was dead would have tipped the scales. There was no reason at all to tell her the truth. I am not even sure why Emily looked shocked. She is not naive and I don't know why she would have thought the truth in that case was so important.

BTW, I really liked the way this ep focused on Hotch. It was good to see a little more into his psyche. I don't think it is a sure thing that his wife will leave, but I think it is a sure thing that they will have to deal with their relationship. Not saying she won't leave, but he loves her and she loves him and I don't think anything is a given.

Yech, what is up with the whole Reid storyline? Have him say what he did and thenn not even address it again?? and has anyone noticed that when they raid a place that Reid has not been with them? He was in early eps.

Special Agent Jentzer - March 22, 2007 04:41 AM (GMT)
Not Looking, Not peaking....not enjoying living in MST, but for real, half way through the show.......guy gets a cocktail thrown on him......

:( STOP DROP AND ROLL...first rule of fire safety!!!! :ph43r:

uuuuhhhg
:canada:

CriminalReid - March 22, 2007 04:49 AM (GMT)
Reid went on a raid in the episode in New Orleans

The whole Reid drug thing, how disappointing and what a waste of possible character development

Special Agent Jentzer - March 22, 2007 06:28 AM (GMT)
Oh my gosh, loved it. Love the show, want to be positive, want to enjoy...Yes it was good. Few different twists, but very team orientated. Thank you :D
Hate living in the mountain standard time, have to wear mittens and put on a blindfold, so as not to type/watch spoilers on this fab site!!

Garcia -hey girlfriend, love the hair!! Liked how she tried to add some "humor" to the round table (along with the new emotional, comedic sassy ms emily), although Gideons comments brought them back (quickly) to the severity of the case.

Fire/Arson -really effected gideon and hotch!! Man I love how Gideon just "Presents the Profile...we are looking for a white male...I really look forward to that part of the show. :huh:

Prentiss -nice gun, look at you all going on the raid, bullet proof vest and all!! You go Girl!! I'm proud of that little character moment, (not the leave Reid at home part), but lets let emily play!! And I saw you get all teary eyed with the burn victim..hint of emotion, we all saw ;)

Reid -ok, ok I dont want anybody to throw things at me through the screen, but sort of glad it was "CRIMINAL MINDS" not the Reid Show.......lol. :rolleyes: But lets try this:
Is he or isn't he?? It's starting to become to cloudy :angry:
All you read fans are losing focus... :( Soooo......
QUOTE
Once upon a time there was a boy named reid who was being groomed to become the smartest FBI agent on the planet.  On a fine day in June after passing all his exams he became a member of the BAU.  He met nice people. 
Unfortunately he was kidnapped and forced to take drugs
...some crazy s*it man..not  your above the grade PIFF, but the evil Dilaudid, with some spice added, thank you very much. 
He was rescued by his maid marion (JJ) and the rest of his team.  He went to New Orleans, we were thrown a red herring, he swore to his mentor "I WILL NEVER MISS ANOTHER PLANE", and he lived happily ever after.......the end. 


Fire, although it is the most important evolution of humankind, scares the shite out of me. Really, Hate it. Unsub, one of the worst we have seen, freaking creepy really.

Edward Allen Bernero -seems to be the kind of boss that rewards good character acting. I thought Fireman Dude was good. (I enjoyed Anthony Ruivivar as Paramedic Carlos Nieto on Third Watch......are we seeing a pattern here....last week it was Josh Stewart (det Finney),
fast fact,
Charlies Angel Kate Jackson once appeared on a few episodes of this show as well.......
Third Mind....Criminal Watch...???
could we be on to something here..........

Quantico -opening shot was new, fresh!

Morgan - I really love when he "role plays", and so very effectively re-enacts the crime. He doesn't get enough credit for what "he sees" as he retraces the steps of the unsub.

So red herring of the week.......(please review as reids drug story is over), however, MR Aaron Hotchner your marriage is so in trouble!! He needs a good stressor before the season finale. How about Halley leaves him.

****NOTE TO Jemmax****
Your boy was in fine form today, I forgot he has such a good soul. Enjoyed the moment with him and gideon, gideon wanting him to solve the case, as he related it to his own life, a father trying to do the right thing. He is cut up about his home life ehh!!

Emily -loose the jackie-o glasses....bad for the fbi image. You look like you are meeting paris and nicole for lunch! B)

and JJ -look at JJ adding her two cents...she is trying to be like her boy dr spencer reid, reciting little stats about rental cars, company cars, and door to door salesmen!!.....and is it me or is she looking more like "the wild child" these days? her hair seems a bit...I dont know the word, I do but I can't say it on an open forum. She looks great though! :rolleyes:
Loved her little banter with the SFPD officer, its like she puts her little Dr Spencer Reid up on a pedistall, she is very proud of him...her little boy wonder....as she shrugs her shoulders and gives the look, I told you so, he's brilliant and he is my genius!!
Does any one have any earth shattering insight on his "Espresso Burn"?

and one final thought because I dont think these people get any credit..
sound/music people -I watched the show with my headset on, very different, very loud and interesting..kudos.
fire techie/special effects -they blow up garages and warehouse buildings very well!! (not like Jack Bauer blow up but really good!!)

Can you hardly stand we have like a month......to come up with all sorts of ridiculous ideas...chum to the sharks, but we have no spoilers...yet :lol:

So I am going to enjoy this one for awhile....judges, I give it two thumbs up.
sorry it took so long to spit all this out!!
:canada:

I love this show! - March 22, 2007 11:56 AM (GMT)
Referring to the "expresso" burn - was there a point to it? (I'm sure we could read something into that couldn't we) I thought it was just a lame attempt to make him seem like his old nerd self but that wasn't nerdy that was just clumsy. I didn't really get anything out of that whole scene...it almost seemed to me like J.J. was making fun of him which I thought was sort of sad. (that wasn't the normal humor they put in for a comic relief moment)

I agree that it was nice for it not to be the "Reid show" for a change. (but I do wish they would finish the Reid story already!!! - I'm getting so completely frustrated with it! And yes I think it does distract me.) Can we at least solve Reid's problem before Hotch's marriage completely falls apart (at the rate they're going...that could take all of season three before we find out if Haley is going to leave him or not.)

As much as I like the "character development" I still want the show to be about the crimes and their jobs of catching the criminals.

I feel like I'm just beginning to repeat myself over and over......

Special Agent Jentzer - March 22, 2007 03:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
As much as I like the "character development" I still want the show to be about the crimes and their jobs of catching the criminals.

I liked the team aspect in this, love the writer, Andrew Wilder
QUOTE
Andrew Wilder also is credited with writing
- North Mammon (2006)
- The Tribe (2006)
- L.D.S.K. (2005) (a huge fave with us all!!!)

He seems to like the gideon/hotch angle, which is OK with me.
QUOTE
almost seemed to me like J.J. was making fun of him which I thought was sort of sad.

Oh me and my rose colored glasses, I thought it was kinda cute. I did note it would be hard to carry two grande cups of hot coffee the way he did...empty perhaps. lol I laugh when I see people in television land haul suitcases....clearly empty.
:canada:

Tooks - March 22, 2007 03:23 PM (GMT)
I actually really liked this one. It seems like the writers are trying to get back to the original greatness - there was a lot more of the team being together or pairing up and working together. ...Now, it's not quite there yet but this one was certainly an improvement.

I really liked that the focus was on Hotch because it so rarely is...I think this is the first time I'd ever wanted to hug Hotch. It's good that, if they're going to show the other characters at their weak points, they show Hotch's (who's one of the emotionally strongest) as well.

I thought it was interesting that Emily was a bit catty with Reid, it only makes sense what with the way Reid'd been behaving with her but still...interesting. And speaking of Emily, I thought it was nice they finally showed her showing some kind of emotion when confronted with the burn victim...I wonder if that's not her "weak spot" (maybe she's seen this sort of thing before, on a more personal level?)

I actually liked the expresso burn thing, that they're trying to bring back old-school Reid, and didn't read it as JJ mocking him at all - if anything she was being doing a "big sis" sorta thing. When the SFPD lady gives Reid a strange look as he rambles and stumbles she explains that that's the way Reid is with a smile - she seemed more proud and protective than anything to me. I especially enjoyed it when she told him he'd done a good job and gives him a wink - I thought it was pretty sweet actually.

I don't think the Reid drug/PTSD thing is over - just look at how he gets nervous and trails off when talking about addiction, espeically when stating that addict often can't quit without help and then looks at Gideon. I don't think this thing'll end until the season finale.

Favorite Line:

Garcia: ...Let me tell you the meaning of LUST.

Gideon: Did she just say lust?

lfleia - March 22, 2007 05:22 PM (GMT)
I totally missed it b/c I got called in to work. ( :angry:)

Someone fill me in! Please? :unsure:

CriminalMindsFan - March 22, 2007 08:39 PM (GMT)
I've got so much to do but I'll make a little comment. :D I as well don't like the non-handling of the Reid drug thing but I think they might just give it up and have everything resolved soon. Agree with Jentzer about it being Criminal Minds and not The Reid Show this time. Hotch and Gideon were great. Hotch was very emotional which I like because he is so good at it.

Last night was groundbreaking though by the fact that Emily Prentiss, yes, Emily Prentiss actually teared up and showed emotion by the burn victim. She has never shown large emotion before then. :)

My dads a fireman and I do a ton of stuff with him and am considering being a fireman someday so I love the whole fire/arson subject. Stupid guy doesn't stop, drop, and roll kind of made me mad. I better get back to make up homework. :D

**END OF RANT** :D

spencer reid - March 22, 2007 08:51 PM (GMT)
I loved this episode, the girl was so mean to Reid I'm suprised he didn't just turn around and round house kick her in the face. (that would have been sooooooooooooooo cool).

ac5000 - March 22, 2007 10:02 PM (GMT)
they're dragging this Reid drug thing way too long...i want it to END!!!i thought this eppy was alright, not their best, but not their worst either. I hate fire episodes though...especially when someone ends up being burnt alive or anything like that...i find it super disturbing. As for the Reid/JJ thing...you guys all know i love 'em! They were adorable even if it was only for one scene. :D

Guest - March 22, 2007 10:18 PM (GMT)
You people are confusing. At first, you compalin because Reid is going to be addicted to drugs. Now, they are leaving it alone and you're complaining about that? Make up your minds >.>

I love this show! - March 22, 2007 11:55 PM (GMT)
^ I didn't want them to take Reid down the drug road to start with but since they did - now I want them to end it! (so I don't think I was being inconsistant.) I've complained the whole time! :P

I guess I need to go back and watch the J.J./Reid scene again. I think the reason I didn't like it was because it wasn't the teasing they give him when it's just them - an individual or with the other team members there (who are like their "family") this time she was teasing him in front of a stranger which isn't the same. And J.J. is usually the one who sticks up for Reid and is nice to him when everyone else is teasing him. Maybe if I see it again it will come across differently to me.

ac5000 - March 23, 2007 12:40 AM (GMT)
i dont think JJ meant it in a real like...harsh TEASING way...more like a lighter side. The writers would never intentionally do that to Reid and JJ. Besides, ive always noticed a sarcastic, teasing side to JJ and maybe they were just bringing that side of her out more.

Special Agent Jentzer - March 23, 2007 02:53 AM (GMT)
Guest Posted on Mar 22 2007, 03:18 PM
QUOTE
You people are confusing. At first, you compalin because Reid is going to be addicted to drugs. Now, they are leaving it alone and you're complaining about that? Make up your minds

We are a confusing bunch aren't we?
Closure has become an issue with us...remember a gal named elle.
We think we know what we want....we all have criminals minds, stick around, join the forum, and see if you agree or disagree....we would like your opinion as well..... :rolleyes:
:canada:

tamul - March 23, 2007 10:29 AM (GMT)
In my opinion this episode was awesome! I really loved to see more about Hotch and to get some impressions into his mind and his feelings. He was so affective – and this whole episode was very emotional (but never exaggerated). Very well done.

The beginning really horrified me. It was so absolutely sad to watch how the family tried to escape – and failed. And the music fits perfect into the scene.

There were so many touching and sad scenes … in the hospital (in my opinion it was absolutely right to lie), Hotch talking about his father, the end, when Morgan and Gideon had to restrain Hotch from trying to save Abby…
I confess that I – unlike the unsub ^^ - rather have a pyrophobia and I am really afraid of fire. That is why I might be even more horrified than others when I watched the fire scenes. However I really love this episode (, which is very significant - I usually avoid fire, even on TV). There’s so much depth and character development in it …

Concerning Reid … yes, as for this I am a little disappointed and frustrated, too, that the writers protract it so much. They should finally bring it to an end - it isn't an end yet, they can't stop it this way. I really would like to know what’s going on with him (and see him being fine again).
But these moments when Reid talks about drug addiction really excited me. It's such a great and very well done scene, I love it! The glances Gideon and Hotch gave him ….. gosh, they MUST finally realize something!
On tv.com somebody mentioned that it would be possible that Reid’s comment was like a little “thank you” to Gideon (referring to “Jones”). But I really don’t think so. If Reid had liked to thank Gideon he would have done this in a more direct, more personal way. And he certainly would have been able to look into Gideon’s eyes – unlike in this scene (he definitely avoided to look to Gideon).

OK, I could go on and on with writing about this episode but I stop here ... (for now) ... have to go back to work B)

... and I can’t believe that we have to wait another four weeks for the next episode …

Special Agent Jentzer - March 23, 2007 04:58 PM (GMT)
spencer reid Posted on Mar 22 2007, 01:51 PM
QUOTE
I loved this episode, the girl was so mean to Reid I'm suprised he didn't just turn around and round house kick her in the face. (that would have been sooooooooooooooo cool).


Is "the girl" ms emily or SFPD officer...lol :o

ac5000 - March 23, 2007 08:58 PM (GMT)
hmm...i just remembered...did Hotch say his dad DIED of lung cancer?...i thought Hotch's dad died of a heart attack. i might have to watch the eppy over again.

crimemind - March 23, 2007 10:10 PM (GMT)
I liked this one. I was never a huge fan of Hotch, but this episode made him seem more mumand and I like him now. I must have missed soemthcing; what happened with him and his wife?

I felt so bad for Reid when he was talking about addiction and how it's impossible to quit without help. IS THE TEAM BLIND!! He's obviously asking for help. He looke so sad. I feel bad for him. :(

I hate how they didn't go more into the Reid/ drug thing. I wait almost a month and still nothing!

I do agree that it was good to not have The Reid show, but they seem to have left him out of alot of things. He was in only a few scenes. It was wierd.

I didn't like the profiling in this one. They got it all right and everything, but they didn't say anything about why this guy starting lighting fires and they didn't say much about the criminal's mind. It was more about the guy with Cancer and Hotch. It was sad when he died.

Over all good episode though. Not the best when it comes to Criminal Minds, but still two thumbs up. I would go with a thumb and 3/4, but I don't think that's possible.

danceprincess444 - March 23, 2007 11:03 PM (GMT)
:o

See, I really want to go back and re-watch for all these little things I missed but I can't.

My DVR didn't record it and my dad already deleted it.
<_<


I thought I had it at the top of my priority list, apperently not.
:angry:

I love reading though. Emily Teared up?
How did I miss this amazing development?!?!

Bren - March 24, 2007 02:43 AM (GMT)
I really enjoyed this episode, even though the crimes themselves were sickening. I can't imagine a more horrific way to die. :( Count me in for "yes, Hotch was right to lie." Heck, I'd want to be lied to in a case like that. I'd prefer to die believing that my loved ones were safe.

I'm not sure what to make of the Prentiss/Reid interaction at the beginning. Was her comment meant to be humorous or snarky? If the latter, it'll be interesting to see if the writers continue to build animosity between the two characters.

Thomas Gibson was magnficent! If his desire was to make Hotch appear a tortured soul, he more than succeeded. I wanted to hug him. ~sniff~ I thought it was sweet that Hotch offered to speak to the dying woman to spare Gideon. I assume that's because Gideon saw enough burned bodies to last a lifetime when all of those agents were killed by Bale's bomb.

As for the "Reid/drug thing," I must be one of the few who appreciated his addict analogy. I loved the ambiguity of it: Was Reid implying that he is actively addicted, or was his comment a nod to those who've helped him (meaning that the issue has already been dealt with offscreen and is in the past)?

I guess I'm also in the minority because I'm perfectly content to let the drug issue unfold over time. It's certainly more realistic. If Reid is/was seriously addicted (and who knows at this point), I believe the writers would be doing the viewing public a disservice if he miraculously recovered in a few short weeks. It would diminish the impact of just how devastating addiction can be. One of my students has been dealing with heroin addiction since last fall, and at present he's losing the battle. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a quick recovery for someone who is thoroughly addicted. :(

If, on the other hand, Reid hasn't been using the drug and is instead simply fighting the psychological draw of it, then his recovery would be easier...and evidently most of you would be happier! :)

~sigh~ I'm glad I started watching this show.



I love this show! - March 24, 2007 03:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
I guess I'm also in the minority because I'm perfectly content to let the drug issue unfold over time. It's certainly more realistic. If Reid is/was seriously addicted (and who knows at this point), I believe the writers would be doing the viewing public a disservice if he miraculously recovered in a few short weeks.


Would it be safe to assume there is some elapsed time in between cases for the characters (weeks even possibly months?) I think the reason I don't find the storyline "realistic" is because there are only a couple of scenarios I can come up with.

1) Reid isn't using drugs at all (I would actually prefer this one but why then would they keep hinting at it? - and since that is the least exciting, if that's how this was going to end more than likely they would have had closure on it by now)

2) Reid is on drugs and the best profilers in the world can't figure it out.

3) Reid is on drugs and the team knows it but they aren't doing anything about it. (and even if they realize there is a problem but don't know it's drug addiction, I have trouble believing that they would want to work with him without trying to deal with the problem. (much less possibly have to trust this person with their lives if they are facing an unsub with a gun or something) Would you trust and rely on him?

None of them really make much sense to me. I know, it's just a fictional show, with fictional characters and the story is keeping the ratings going......... <_<

Where is my logic wrong on this? Can anyone come up with some other scenarios that are more realistic?

crimemind - March 24, 2007 08:56 PM (GMT)
I love this show! is right. They're profilers and they should know soemthing's wrong. It doesn't make any sense. I don't think it's logical either.

I think Hotch did the right thing to lie to the dying woman. She died in peace thinking they were still alive.

Mt. Suz - March 24, 2007 09:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (I love this show! @ Mar 23 2007, 10:07 PM)

Would it be safe to assume there is some elapsed time in between cases for the characters (weeks even possibly months?)  I think the reason I don't find the storyline "realistic" is because there are only a couple of scenarios I can come up with.

1) Reid isn't using drugs at all (I would actually prefer this one but why then would they keep hinting at it? - and since that is the least exciting, if that's how this was going to end more than likely they would have had closure on it by now)

2) Reid is on drugs and the best profilers in the world can't figure it out.

3) Reid is on drugs and the team knows it but they aren't doing anything about it. (and even if they realize there is a problem but don't know it's drug addiction, I have trouble believing that they would want to work with him without trying to deal with the problem. (much less possibly have to trust this person with their lives if they are facing an unsub with a gun or something) Would you trust and rely on him?

None of them really make much sense to me.  I know, it's just a fictional show, with fictional characters and the story is keeping the ratings going......... <_<

Where is my logic wrong on this?  Can anyone come up with some other scenarios that are more realistic?

This is how I see it. After Reid's rescue he's all messed up. The team could have and should have dealt with it right away. But didn't. Probably because the writers wanted to draw this out awhile. So the team knows somethings wrong. Decides to give him time to work it out himself....Then Reid misses the plane flight. Not good. Gideon is sent to confront him......in a very gentle way. (Loved this myself :D ). Gideon asks him if he's questioning whether he's strong enough to be there. (They think he's afraid.) So that is what they are thinking. They seem to not have any idea drugs are involved. (Hard to believe I know. But necessary to continue the drug/or no drug thing going.) This way they can continue solving crimes and drive certain loyal fans crazy. :blink: While your average fan watches and misses a lot of this.
However it seems to me now that it APPEARED that Reid was admitting his drug problem.... And stating it would be impossible to quit without help. Now something must be done. When I first watched it I thought Reid was kind of thanking them for their help too. But after watching it oh maybe half a dozen times I have changed my mind. Gideon is clearly picking up on it and probably Hotch and Morgan. If this is so then they will have to confront him soon. Now the rest of the episode we saw almost no Reid. This is important because it would be impossible to continue to interact normally with Reid if they thought he was on drugs. No one would buy that.
Sooooooooo. My guess is that there will be some kind of confrontation next episode. If not they loss all crediability. Orrrrrrrrrr Reids not on drugs at all and they were just torturing us like the show's Unsubs do. :ph43r:
Love/hate the way the writers are writing so we are not really sure what is happening. I heard this before from another poster. But these writers really DO have Criminal Minds. B)

tamul - March 24, 2007 10:13 PM (GMT)
@Mt. Suz:
Your scenario seems very comprehensible to me. Only I never thought - not even for a second - that Reid was thanking anybody (as I wrote above). But everything else you wrote makes much sense to me.

There's only one thing that I really can't understand: The team obviously has (or had, until this scene in "Ashes and Dust") no idea that drugs could be involved. But after Reid's rescue in "Revelations" - wouldn't it be reasonable to think that they brought Reid to a hospital to check him up and to make sure he wasn't badly hurt and OK? I really think so. However why did these marks (punctures) on his arm remain unnoticed? If they had been noticed the team would have known about the drugs Tobias injected Reid. And I guess they would have guarded against a potential addiction. Or at least they would have suspected much earlier that drugs could be involved ...<_<

Another thing about "Ashes and Dust" - perhaps unimportant - came to my mind: Every episode since 2.15. has a title with a meaning both for the case and for the Reid-story (Fear and Loathing, Distress, Jones). But "Ashes and Dust" hasn't. At least not for me. Does this have a meaning? Or am I missing something? Or do I read way too much into it?

@ac5000:
Actually Hotch only said that his father HAD lung cancer. He didn't say he DIED of it (I also got this wrong when I watched it for the first time). And in 1.16. it is also only said that the father HAD a heart attack. So we still don't know how his father died ...

Mt. Suz - March 24, 2007 10:41 PM (GMT)
tamul..... Good points. I think my jumping on the "Thank you" bandwagon was just wishful thinking that the so called drug problem was in the past. :( And I absolutely agree that it is very reasonable to think that the drug punctures would have been seen at the hospital. They should have been found and then, as you say, they would have suppected that drugs could be a problem much earlier. Why, why not???? No answers for that.
I hadn't thought about the double meanings in the titles. I'm not sure about that. Have to think on it. <_<
I missed most of season one so don't know much about Hotch's past, but loved him in Aches. So caring. :)

Bren - March 24, 2007 11:01 PM (GMT)
<<I think the reason I don't find the storyline "realistic" >>

Oh, I'm not saying that the storyline is realistic; there are plenty of inconsistencies. What is realistic is the slow speed at which Reid's possible drug problem is being revealed. An intelligent, careful person can hide his/her addiction for an impressive amount of time.

<< Reid is on drugs and the best profilers in the world can't figure it out. >>

But if they're not looking for it or have no reason to suspect it, why would they even try? Perhaps they assume he's suffering from PTSD. The behavior Reid has exhibited thus far certainly could lead one to believe that he's still dealing with the traumatic effects of his kidnapping and torture.

<<Reid is on drugs and the team knows it but they aren't doing anything about it. >>

I'm in total agreement with you on that one. I find it hard to believe that if the others are aware Reid has a drug problem they'd allow him to continue working in an official capacity. Not only could it cause problems during an armed confrontation (as you pointed out), but I imagine there would be all sorts of legal ramifications if something went wrong.

It'll be interesting to see how everything is resolved, that's for sure! :)

Bren - March 24, 2007 11:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mt. Suz @ Mar 24 2007, 04:35 PM)
However it seems to me now that it APPEARED that Reid was admitting his drug problem.... And stating it would be impossible to quit without help.


Hmm. Maybe Reid was surreptitiously admitting that he has a drug problem, and his addiction analogy was a plea for help.

(Gee, I'm so glad I finally noticed the "quote" button. D'oh!)

I love this show! - March 25, 2007 12:20 AM (GMT)
I think the writers may have gotten themselves into a bit of a hole. It will be interesting to see if they can get Reid out of it with credibility. We can be a bit hard on them (at least I know I can be awfully critical) As such a huge fan of the show (and I think a lot of us fit into this category) I have very high expectations.....especially when they are messing with my boy! :D

Yes, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.....I personally am just hoping that it is resolved soon.

Bren - March 25, 2007 03:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (tamul @ Mar 24 2007, 05:13 PM)
But after Reid's rescue in "Revelations" - wouldn't it be reasonable to think that they brought Reid to a hospital to check him up and to make sure he wasn't badly hurt and OK? I really think so. However why did these marks (punctures) on his arm remain unnoticed?

I can think of two reasons as to why the needle punctures might have gone unnoticed.

First, Reid was conscious and mobile when rescued, so he would have had total control over his examination. If he didn't want the doctor to know about the injection site, all he had to do was avoid mentioning it and keep his sleeve rolled down. The doctor would be limited to examinging only those areas that Reid permitted, and since patients rarely have to roll up their sleeves to accommodate a blood pressure cuff (only when the clothing material is thick), it would have been easy for Reid to keep his arm covered.

It's also possible that the needle punctures simply weren't that noticeable. Reid was only injected a few times; he most likely wouldn't have had obvious tracks.

But even if the puncture sites were glaringly obvious, even if the doctor saw them, and even if Reid stated, "Yes, I was injected with a narcotic," all Reid had to do was invoke physician-patient confidentiality/privilege. There would be no reason for the doctor to divulge the information to a third party; Reid wasn't a danger to anyone.

Of course, I could be over-analyzing and giving the writers way more credit than they deserve. :) And for all of my patience, I really hope they don't carry this particular story into the next season. THAT would annoy me.

Mt. Suz - March 25, 2007 04:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tamul @ Mar 24 2007, 05:13 PM)

Another thing about "Ashes and Dust" - perhaps unimportant - came to my mind: Every episode since 2.15. has a title with a meaning both for the case and for the Reid-story (Fear and Loathing, Distress, Jones). But "Ashes and Dust" hasn't. At least not for me. Does this have a meaning? Or am I missing something? Or do I read way too much into it? 


Been thinking about that and I remembered something someone else posted on another CM discussion sight. I want to credit Guzzlefish.

The title "Ashes and Dust" may refer to a quote attributed to Jack London: I would rather be ashes than dust. I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificant glow, than a sleepy and permant planet. The function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time." This sentiment seems to sum up Evan Abby's feelings about his life, and his death. His reasons for ending his life the way he did.


Beautiful quote. B)
Now for possible double meanings???
:huh: Not sure. Any ideas?

Mt. Suz - March 25, 2007 04:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (I love this show! @ Mar 24 2007, 07:20 PM)
I think the writers may have gotten themselves into a bit of a hole.  It will be interesting to see if they can get Reid out of it with credibility. We can be a bit hard on them (at least I know I can be awfully critical) As such a huge fan of the show (and I think a lot of us fit into this category) I have very high expectations.....especially when they are messing with my boy!  :D

Yes, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.....I personally am just hoping that it is resolved soon.

I agree. Wonder if the writers are aware how we LOVE to nick/pick every monent of the show. Me thinks they do. Why else all these double meanings playing with our minds. :o They probably know just what they are doing. Of course that could be why they have have such a great show and why we love it so much. :wub:

And a number of good points Bren.....making a lot of sense. Reid's kind of a private person. He's not going to have the whole team standing around while the doctors are examining him. However they have a willing volumteer nurse right here. :lol:

I love this show! - March 25, 2007 04:50 PM (GMT)
I'm sure the writers know what they're doing to us (and love it!!) It is rather evil of them and "criminal minded" :P

Okay writers.....you've had your fun. Please stop now. :D

tamul - March 25, 2007 08:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mt. Suz)

The title "Ashes and Dust" may refer to a quote attributed to Jack London: I would rather be ashes than dust. I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry-rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificant glow, than a sleepy and permant planet. The function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time." This sentiment seems to sum up Evan Abby's feelings about his life, and his death. His reasons for ending his life the way he did.

Beautiful quote.  B)
Now for possible double meanings???
:huh:  Not sure. Any ideas? 

That’s really a wonderful quote – thanks for posting it! And you’re right; it fits in very well, concerning Evan Abby and his decision to end things that way. Like Hotch said “He wanted his death to mean something.”
As for Reid and a double meaning … now I am the one who says “I have to think about it”. I am not sure yet. The double meaning of the other episode titles was obviously (well, "Jones" was a bit difficult to figure out for non-native speakers like me ;) ). But "Ashes and Dust" and this quote ... I'm not sure .... I’ll come back as soon as I have an idea about it.
Perhaps some others already have an idea?


QUOTE (Bren)

First, Reid was conscious and mobile when rescued, so he would have had total control over his examination. If he didn't want the doctor to know about the injection site, all he had to do was avoid mentioning it and keep his sleeve rolled down. The doctor would be limited to examinging only those areas that Reid permitted, and since patients rarely have to roll up their sleeves to accommodate a blood pressure cuff (only when the clothing material is thick), it would have been easy for Reid to keep his arm covered.

Yes, that's a good explanation and it makes sense. Reid is a smart (clever) person, he could have handled it that way. And if the doctor (perhaps) had also been busy and had not checked up very carefully ... nobody would have noticed.

QUOTE (Bren)

But even if the puncture sites were glaringly obvious, even if the doctor saw them, and even if Reid stated, "Yes, I was injected with a narcotic," all Reid had to do was invoke physician-patient confidentiality/privilege. There would be no reason for the doctor to divulge the information to a third party; Reid wasn't a danger to anyone.

Hmm, I guess a drug addict in a FBI special unit would be a danger – for himself and for the team members. However the physician-patient confidentiality/privilege could make sense. I’m sure you know US laws (and potential exceptions) concerning this item much better than I do B) (because I am not from the US).


Really, I love this episode, as I mentioned above ... but the Reid-thing is going to drive me crazy (the more I think about it). OK, the writers did a great job because they keep the fans (us ^^) thinking and discussing about it so long and intensely. And it is comprehensible that they didn't rush this whole Reid-story.
But like others already said: it's enough. I pin my hopes on the next episode ... or at least the next two episodes ... ;)




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