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Title: In Birth and Death
Description: **spoilers for second episode**


Special Agent Jentzer - September 12, 2007 01:08 AM (GMT)
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CRIMINAL MINDS
Air Date: Wednesday, October 03, 2007
Time Slot: 9:00 PM-10:00 PM EST on CBS
Episode Title: (#302) "In Birth and Death" 

"In Birth and Death" - Hotch requests a transfer, Prentiss resigns and Gideon is missing, leaving the team three people short as they track a serial killer in Milwaukee who abducts women in very public places

SERIES REGULARS:

Jason Gideon: Mandy Patinkin
Aaron Hotchner: Thomas Gibson
Emily Prentiss: Paget Brewster
Derek Morgan: Shemar Moore
Dr. Spencer Reid: Matthew Gray Gubler
Jennifer: A.J. Cook
Garcia: Kirsten Vangsness

GUEST CAST:

Haley Hotchner: Meredith Monroe
Joe Smith: Eddie Cibrian
Vicki: Lucia Sullivan
Erin Strauss: Jayne Atkinson
Det. Wolynski: Gordon Clapp
Claire: Yvonne Jung
David Smith: Chandler Canterbury
Cop: Regi Davis
Bill Thompson: Stefan Marks
Jack Hotchner: Cade Owens
Admin #5/Pam: Mary Ostrow
Ms. Bennett: Lori Skope
Lisa Phillips: Grace C. Renn







I love this show! - September 12, 2007 01:13 AM (GMT)
Did they change the title? Was this supposed to be "In name and blood?"

And WHOA!!!! They're trying to work a case without Hotch, Prentiss and Gideon??? So we've got Morgan and Reid as the only profilers with JJ and Garcia back at the BAU?

And doesn't this sort of answer the question about what happens with Hotch an Prentiss.....okay not how it ends, but Hotch requests to transfer and Emily resigns???? :blink:

ILoveReed1988 - September 12, 2007 01:31 AM (GMT)
ohh..wow hotch ....transfer..and emily resigns and gideon's missing ..wow...what all else will happin in this episode

ILoveReed1988 - September 12, 2007 01:50 AM (GMT)
thanks for that Jentzer

Rach112 - September 12, 2007 07:27 PM (GMT)
Oh my gosh Jentzer, your articles are gonna give me a heart attack one day! People leaving and going missing...too much! :lol: I can't cope with the suspense!

ILoveReed1988 - September 12, 2007 07:29 PM (GMT)
im soo excited for the new season i could explode.. :lol:

Rach112 - September 12, 2007 07:33 PM (GMT)
I think explode is a good word to use right now :lol: I am so excited/nervous to see what happens with Hotch and Prentiss....

ILoveReed1988 - September 12, 2007 07:34 PM (GMT)
omg me 2...i wanna know what gonna happen..i wish today was the new season premiere

ac5000 - September 12, 2007 11:19 PM (GMT)
that means more camera time for Moore, Gube, Cook and Vangenenensnsss...i cant ever spell her name right <_< sounds good though!! :lol:

ILoveReed1988 - September 13, 2007 02:17 AM (GMT)
that would be cool if MGG And Aj And Kirsten got more camera time

Special Agent Jentzer - September 16, 2007 05:46 PM (GMT)
Why would it be cool ILReed? expand...

So yes it seems to have been re-named.

"In Name and Blood" (according to some spoilers), the father has a very close "blood" bond with his young son...you know when you cut your hand and your best friend cuts their hand and you shake on it...thus becoming "blood sisters"....

"In Birth and Death"...gideon is leaving, circle of life,

people go away and die....not sure....moving forward...


ILoveReed1988 - September 16, 2007 06:39 PM (GMT)
i mean like jj and garcia dont get as much camera time as the others do......and i cant wait to see this episode

CriminalMind - September 23, 2007 11:11 AM (GMT)
*sob*

It's great if the other's get more screentime, but Hotch, transfer? Am I the only one completely busting a gut ove rthis? *sob* I may kick Prentiss's @$$ if she caused Hotch to ask for a transfer! But, I like how Jentzer said it, losse ends, need to be tied up, very quickly resolved. Those are comforting words!

Garcia44 - September 23, 2007 04:13 PM (GMT)
I for one will cry if Hotch transfers :( what kinda team are we gonna have it Hotch and Gideon are both gone (even if Hotch is only gone for a little while) If Prentiss doesn't make the right decision i'm gonna have serious dislike for this girl :angry:

I'm thrilled that my girl Garcia will get more time though :D

Special Agent Jentzer - September 23, 2007 04:28 PM (GMT)
ahh jems user posted image

group hug...jems is concerned about her guy hotch!! I have faith in "the girls"...prentiss, JJ and garcia will make all this go away!!!

(It might "have seemed like a good idea at the time" to have this dilemma of hotch transferring and prentiss quitting....)

I read a fanfic somewhere this week.....(and my sincere apologizes to the writer as I can't recall where it was or who you are)......and again since it is fanfic......it did though make me feel better..... emily walks from strauss's office straight to hotches office and spills the beans!!

I was very happy!!

So I still believe (and I'm not just saying this to make jems happy!! :) ) that hotch and prentiss will be back in full swing by the 30 minute mark of episode two.

I for one will not watch if hotch leaves...hello??

Isn't this show is about profilers?? (i love garcia and jj....but morgan and reid can not run this team.....

and besides, reid (specifically for this episode) will be running around wondering where is gideon, where is gideon??? His head will be elsewhere I'm sure... :ph43r:

I love this show! - September 23, 2007 05:09 PM (GMT)
I don't know how it's going to work but I really think it will all work out and Hotch and Emily will be around for a long time! :) And Strauss won't win and get her way.

It will be interesting to see how the team of Morgan and Reid solve a case together. <_<

Only a couple more days now!!! Now that it's almost here it almost doesn't seem real to me.....we've been waiting for so long to see a new episode and we finally get to on Wednesday!!!

Frank's_Evilution - September 23, 2007 05:53 PM (GMT)
Aaaah it would be really intersting to see Morgan and Reid have to get a case solved by themselves....but I still don't want Hotch and Prentiss to be permanently gone! Hopefully, it would be that they're only gone for a very short time, and that evil strauss will be defeated!

I love this show! - September 23, 2007 07:19 PM (GMT)
Actually I think it's a possibility that Hotch will be there....maybe not the whole time but if he puts in for a transfer it could be possible that he'll be there working until he transfers......right? Just a thought. And Emily may be putting in a two-week notice or something and still be at work.

Rach112 - September 24, 2007 03:35 PM (GMT)
Yeah I think Hotch'll be there most of the time, he probably wouldn't be able to get a transfer right away and I can't see him leaving the team on their own with no one to lead them. But I seriously hope they get it all resolved by episode 2! At least we know they're not really leaving :D

ILoveReed1988 - September 24, 2007 05:02 PM (GMT)
.Yea i hope it does also..2 more days Guys

CriminalMind - September 24, 2007 06:40 PM (GMT)
Yeah, it would seem very stupid if they had Hothc leave, know they have no Gideon, and Rossi doesn't come in till like, the 5-7th eppy? I think they had this storyline all written, then Mandy quit, and they thought they'd give us a nice lil' heart attack until it come son. Bad writers, do you realise I can't get this until new year? *scolds writers*

ILoveReed1988 - September 24, 2007 07:57 PM (GMT)
ohh..that sucks until new years....

Garcia44 - September 26, 2007 01:08 PM (GMT)
Just so you know .. if anyone needs me tonight say around 9:00 .. i'll be sitting in front of my TV because it's finally the 26th!!!! Wooooo Hoooooooooo!!!! :D

Luna - September 30, 2007 08:45 AM (GMT)
This is a promovideo I found from the episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHQOufNUV98&NR=1

Seriously,I don't like this promovideo, if he really killed himself, let's just hope not, then it seems like REID is going to find him! No, no, no, no! Please no! That's just to much!
Wha and I can't even see any episodes yet from season 3, this is killing me! I'm like a drugaddict that needs some kind of drug: Criminal Minds, knows that it excist, but it is just outside my reach…and this drugaddict does not wanna quit! I want Criminal Minds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love this show! - October 3, 2007 11:44 AM (GMT)
Okay this is the episode that airs tonight. I wonder how much of it got changed after they learned Mandy was leaving? This was supposed to be the season premiere episode (and the title changed to "in name and blood) I guess the actual storyline is the same - probably just had to make the changes for Gideon's leaving. But if the unsub is the same and we've got a profiling team of Reid and Morgan????? <_<

It is the last time we will see Mandy Patinkin as Jason Gideon! :(

Hotch suspended........does Emily resign? Is Reid on drugs? What happens to Gideon? So many questions!!!!!!


Garcia44 - October 3, 2007 02:58 PM (GMT)
:( I can't even begin to tell you how much i'll miss Mandy being on the show. I started watching it originally because he was on it. I had seen him in other things and he is one of my favorite actors. I'm really hoping that he just leaves ... then there could possibly be a time when Gideon would return, even if only for an episode or 2 on occasion :) The alternative ending just wouldn't make sense to me at all .. he's all about preserving life .. not taking it.

Now we're down to 1/2 a team ... what could possibly happen next .. I hope this is all cleared up .. and soon!

ILoveReed1988 - October 3, 2007 04:36 PM (GMT)
yea i ma sad too that mandy is leaving ..im gonna cry 2 nite on the episode..i hope he just leaves..and all that..

sandersidle - October 3, 2007 10:19 PM (GMT)
Woo, I'm excited for tonight.

I love this show! - October 3, 2007 10:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Garcia44 @ Oct 3 2007, 09:58 AM)
The alternative ending just wouldn't make sense to me at all .. he's all about preserving life .. not taking it.

Good point! I hadn't thought about it that way......that would be such a contradiction wouldn't it?

ILoveReed1988 - October 3, 2007 11:01 PM (GMT)
yea that is true..then why would he take his life?

danceprincess444 - October 3, 2007 11:54 PM (GMT)
That promo was not fun to watch....
:( :(

I'm going to miss him so much. :(

I hope he doesn't kill himself. That would kill his story line forget and I really don't want that...

I also agree that I don't think taking his life is a way he would ever go. I think, He just wants to get away from it all and try to find himself again.

Still, very sad :(
Mandy will be SOOO missed. It just won't be the same.

I'm very scared to see Reid's reaction to whatever he finds in that room.
:( ♥ :(

Glampire28 - October 4, 2007 01:20 AM (GMT)
Tonight looks like an interesting episode. I wonder how they will end it with Gideon leaving.

I love this show! - October 4, 2007 02:12 AM (GMT)
Okay......so - I think I need to watch that episode again.

The part with Gideon ended how I thought....his just leaving his badge and gun and walking away (but that's kind of annoying because it doesn't give us any answers! :angry: ) but then we never got many answers about Gideon anyway........

So now they're telling us Haley has left Hotch???? I thought it was interesting that Hotch confronted Emily with the accusation that Strauss was looking for dirt on him. So Elle killed an unsub and Reid MIGHT have a serious drug problem that he hasn't reported? (that still doesn't make sense to me.....why would he not deal with it? Even if he didn't want to report it why would he not at least confront Reid about it and make him get help?)

I'm going to have to re-watch and "profile" everyone's homes. :lol:

Hey! Reid drives!!! :lol: And what is that car he is driving?????

That's an episode that needs to be watched more than once and requires a little thought. I'll probably have more to say later.

Oh! And I loved Garcia's lines......talking to Strauss thinking it was Morgan! :lol:

So what did everyone else think?

ILoveReed1988 - October 4, 2007 02:23 AM (GMT)
that was cool that hotch new that strauss was doin that ...and that she got emily to do that but she never said anything......!!! i lvoed reid car... :lol: ...gideon im sooo glad he didnt die im glad he did leave..that way maybe he might make another apperance sometime

I love this show! - October 4, 2007 02:26 AM (GMT)
I doubt Gideon will be back. It will still be interesting to see how Reid handles Gideon leaving. I liked how Hotch really took charge. Now I'm wondering how things will be when Rossi comes in? <_<

I liked Emily a lot better in this episode too!


ILoveReed1988 - October 4, 2007 02:31 AM (GMT)
yea..its gonna be interesting how rossi will fit in...hotch really did take over...=] ..i like emily more now.......

Bren - October 4, 2007 02:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (I love this show! @ Oct 3 2007, 09:12 PM)
So what did everyone else think?

I loved it!

I'm glad that Gideon's exit was handled the way that it was, and I hope he finds his happy ending.

I wasn't really surprised that Hotch returned home to an empty house. I'd like to see Haley and him work out their differences, but Hollywood being what it is, I'm expecting the marriage to collapse so the writers can give Hotch a "love interest." ~sigh~ It doesn't help that Haley is apparently having an affair...or at least considering one (hence the phone incident).

I was happy to see Strauss brought down a notch or two. If she's smart, she'll retreat to her office and stay out of the gang's business.

Garcia is my hero! Gotta love Glitch Girl! She's not about to let her little family fall to pieces.

I was really pleased with the ep (icky-yucky psycho killer aside). Oh, and to top it off, they used one of my favorite Lifehouse songs at the end ("Broken"). Sweet!

Bren

sandersidle - October 4, 2007 03:06 AM (GMT)
Eh. It was okay. Although I wanted to SLAP Strauss. Or whoever. She was rude to JJ. Although I was laughing so hard when they were gossiping about her on the plane. What is that? High school? xD

I think it's lame how Hotch's wife just suddenly turns into a b*tch. I mean, I understand she's upset but she was PISSED OFF, man. And then she left him. -_- Fabulous.

I appreciate Emily more from this episode. She's growing on me.

Reid sleeping in the office was hilarious. JJ was like wtf? Haha. And I must say, I was peeing my pants laughing when Garcia told Strauss to talk dirty to her and Morgan was all *headdesk*

And I'm very happy Gideon didn't kill himself. He seemed a lot happier in the diner.

Now I'm just worried about Rossi and how that'll work out.

ILoveReed1988 - October 4, 2007 03:26 AM (GMT)
yes she was very rude to jj...that was raellly funny when jj found reid asleep in the office...........LOL...and garcia and the call..i freakin laughed sooo hard

CriminalReid - October 4, 2007 04:54 AM (GMT)
a few comments
1. It looks like the Reid drug thing isn't finished

2. Hotch + Prentiss looks like they are heading that way

3. I think Reid's reaction to Gideon leaving will trigger his drug use (as I mentioned before)




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