Hi there

I was wondering once the intial release of the mod is there any chance of making additional extra addons of models (Nice to have) of blokes dressed in Brown PT Vest and Shorts, Blokes in Step Out Uniforms etc as this would be a nice to have for cutscences and intro for custom missions

Apolgies in advance if this is the incorrect place for it but i was wondering if the Puma Helicopters as well as the super frelon would have working winches and if you are going to have the flossie with a paradrop cargo pallet (ammo) ?

Then on last question / suggestion do you think the mod will contain elements of the SA Navy like the strike craft and the SAS Tafelberg ( which was used in the angolan conflict to insert recces (4 recce) into Angola

The helis with winches are going to be the Alouette III and the Super Frelon. The C-130 Hercules will be able to drop 50 parabats and/or 2 ammo crates. Can also transport 2 vehicles. Once the mod is released we will add more content. Would like to make the strike craft and the Tafelberg as we dont have anything naval. Send me as much info as well as pics and drawings and I will include the 2 with the mod.

I will make the naval add-ons if you make the crew. Once the new Oxygen tool is released. I will make the crew, then will send them to you with instructions for re-skining (altering textures) with the SA navy uniforms. It's quite easy to do, al you need is Adobe Photoshop, Texview2 and the PBO compiler wich I will send you. The files will be scripted so you can see your work ingame. Once done will include add-ons with the mod.

Oh... it will keep you out of the pubs for a while and you will also have a valid excuse for ignoring the wife.
:D

ObmaR- Would be honured to assist as long as you guide me on how to do it,i have already put in an order for adobe photoshop 7. Just let me know what else i need to do -

I tried to find some info on a Tafelberg on the net but alas i am gutted not even a picture can you believe that! i am truly gutted it was first ship i served on!! I will try and get some info from a contact still in the navy. the only picture i have of the Tafelberg is a signed copy which is very prized possession maybe when you let me know we can meet up - i will try and get you a scanned copy of the picture.

If there is anythin else i can do to assist in whatever little way then let me know

anyway looking forward to the release of the beta models

As far as needing avalid excuse for ignoring the wife i dont need one - :P i am single at present - still waiting for that boer vrou to tackle me :lol: :blink: :lol:

Once you've done 1 skin the rest is easy. For the Tafelberg I will need dimensions for model acurately. Will also need pics and some internal detail. I will make the model and script it. You will be able to play it ingame with no textures. Will send it to you with instructions and templates so you can paint it. You will be able to view your work ingame and make adjustments as needed. Its quite rewarding to see your work materialise.

Seeing that you served on the Tafelberg, you would be able to do an excellent job with the textures. Get me as much info and detail pics of the ship and email them to me. This is the start of your first ArmA add-on project.

Tafelberg, what kind of ship was that and in which class does it fall? :unsure:

@shindungu

Tafelberg was a South African Navy (SAN) replenishment ship from 1967 to 1993, named after Table Mountain. The vessel was modified to carry two x Oryx (Super Puma) Helicopters and participated in numerous exercises and operations during her lifespan, earning her the affectionate nickname "Mama Tafies" (Afrikaans for "Mother Tafies"). Heavy davits were fabricated and installed by the dockyard, capable of launching small high speed landing craft. Each of these craft could carry and put on the beach a short wheel-base Land Rover and an infantry section with all equipment. The dockyard also built an accommodation block under the flight deck for up to 300 troops, which included messing facilities.

Weight 18980 tons
Length 170.5 m
Beam 21.9 m
Complement 100
She was involved in a collision with the SAS President Kruger (Frigate) in 1982. The Kruger sank.

SAS Tafelberg was sold for scrap in 1993.

@ Obmar

Weight 18980 tons
Length 170.5 m
Beam 21.9 m

How do i attach pictures in posts?

You must have the picture in your PC (after you scanned it) jpg format is the ideal.

Go to: http://www.imageshack.us/ and download their program. After you have installed it, you can right click on the image and choose "Upload file to ImageShack".
A new window will show up which says "ImageSack.us - Image hosting" (It will be busy uploading your image). Automatically another window will show up saying "ImageShack - Done - Microsoft Internet Explorer". Here you scroll down and choose the link that says "Direct Link to Image". Right click on that link, choose copy. On your post at the forum, left click "IMG" and a new window will show up. There you right click and paste. Then press OK. Then preview your post (to check if alles is OK). If you are happy, then submit your post!!

What I have is the following:

Lenght: 163,18 m (pp), 170,62 m(oa)
Beam: 21,94 m
Draught: 9,2 m
Displacement: 25300 tons
Gross measurement: 12500 tons
Dead weight measurement: 18980 tons
Complement: 9 Officers and 118 ratings

@shindungu

Wow where did u get the pic ?

the data looks right , however what is not clearly reflected is the accomadation block which also housed a full Medical Operating facility.

the accomdation block was situated on the boatdeck and then belwo this was the tank deck which led to the stokers alleyway on the port side (halfway down this alleway was the bolier room entrance and the seamans allweyway on the starboard side and the who the coxswains allweyway that connected the to which led down to the tiller flat and ready use store.

Again going form the Boat deck aft you then good get to the jnr rates mess on the port side and the snr mess on the starboard side, the deck above this was where the snr rates and comms ratings stayed

as for the bridge area just below the bridge you had the wardroom and then to either side of this you had the officers cabins in the middle of this was the comms centre and towards the aft area of the bridge was the captians cabin which was huge.

Without looking at the photograph that i have stashed away in storage the ships penant number was A197 ( i do stand to be corrected)

on the tank deck you had the aft pump room and the just in front bridge you had the forward pump room. also on the tank deck you also had the main ships magazine & armoury store.

Where you see the derrick on the forcastle area this led to a main bulk storage
another promenit feature on the boat deck was the access to the main fuel tanks

I did have the privelage (punishment ) of having to clean one of these tanks and remove the FFO fuel from the bottom of these tanks. Which brings back a laugh or two.

They would ventilate the tanks to get rid of the all the fumes for about 2 weeks after de fueling the tank then they would send the defualters down into the tanks to clean out the thich sludge that remained at the bottom and this had to be down by hand with plastic shovels which was transfered into a drum and then pumped by up by a small air driven pump and into a bowser on the key

There where 3 flights of steps that would take you down into the bottom of the fuel tank.

I can rememeber once going into the engine room and watching the stokers standing inside the engine block on top the piston doing maintenance

however i must say that she was an awesome vessel and really lived up to her nickname of "Mama Tafies"

However one of the most amazing things about the Tafelberg was when she was brought into service in the navy a young coloured bloke by the name Van der Berg joined her and served as a stoker onboard until the day she was decomissioned and that he never got above the rank of leading seaman (he would alsways land up doing something that got him demoted) however he had the respect of all that served and i can remember that prior to the ship going to sea the captian and the meo would ask him if the ship was okay to go to sea. Cause nobody knew the ship better than he did.

Yes remember the ship had various refits.

In 1972 a major refit was done at Durban which was undertaken by Dorman Long.
A number of modifications were incorporated, including a new air-conditioning system.

I think during the later part of the seventies, it had another refit, this time at Cape Town, where a large flight deck was construed at the stern for operating helicopters, thus improving the all-round capabilities of the ship.

@ObmaR,

Because you are giving and sending that PC game for me, I will offer you this set of CD's. B)

Send me a PM and I tell you how it is going to work. ;)

@shindungu

nice set of cd's

where are u from shindungu

shindungu you are the guru. If you could get me more drawings of the ship and maybe some internal photos. I will definately make the ship. There will be limits as to detail due to the poly count max 15000 polys and the amount of textures. I will include the basic detail and make the ship fully functional. (It will move around and the player can captain it).
@shindungu
will pm you

From SA.

@Ou Matroos,
You can buy this set of CD's if you want.
Send me a PM and I will direct you.

Oh, and by the way, it's me (shindungu), just from another PC. :lol:

shindungu you are the guru!!

I was wondering if you could help me, i am trying to find out about the south african Marines not much of their history is available, i was told by a warrant that they served in the caprivi strip area but i am trying to verify if this was true, i must admit that i was trained by by an ex marines in various fields i know that they where based at scala barracks in simonstown but not much of their history is known, i know that they served in Nambia as well

was wondering if you had any info on them?

@shindungu
Precura por ai se podes consegir alguns desanhos do navio. No final o mapa do jogo e uma ilha con muita agua a volta. Tamben gustava de fazer un navio e un "Strike craft" Sul Africano para o mod.

I also heard the same story. I see what I can find.
BTW, you were in the Navy. Shouldn't it be easier for you to find out?

Yea I only speak porra to my mom, so been a while... forgot how to spell porra thats how long I've been away from home.

The SA Marines operated a modular light boat company in the Caprivi area. I don't know much more beyond that, except they were there.

@Hellfish

Thanks for that i knew that it was on the caprvi strip but not much is told what the actually did, i know that they served in Walvis Bay as well, this i know cause our lot and them landed up in a brawl outsied of the Pink flamingo nightclub. But i am trying to find out more about the caprvi strip jobs that they did.

I've got a bunch of !@#$%^&*()_+? in pdf format if anybody wants them.

Sorry mate, I had to edit your post. What you are offering cannot be announced in the public forum.

Check your PM. ;)

I'm not up to snuff on the details of the then marines. But I know they have been reinstated. They are now called 'Reaction Force'. But as I understand it a few oldtimer marines are in charge of getting them fully operational again. I have a friend who has done a arm of service transfer there about two years back. All see if I can hound some details out of him... <_< The bugger owes me one anyway. Plus I'm sure he'll also love this mod you guys are making!

“Three Frigates” - The South African Navy comes of age.
By Rear Admiral Chris Bennett, SA Navy (Retired)

For nearly two decades the three President Class frigates acquired by the SA Navy in the 1960s dominated the South African maritime scene. These three ships - President Kruger, President Steyn and President Pretorius were ordered from Britain in the 1950s in compliance with the requirements of the so-called Simon’s Town Agreement.

In this book we find out not only about the ships themselves but also some of the political background at the time of purchase that led to their acquisition and for the first time we can read of some of the political background twenty years later that led to them being sidelined whilst still in ‘their prime’ and very useful ships.

We also find out how the SA Navy developed from 1953 when “we were a ‘mickey mouse’ outfit” to 1963 when “we were a pretty professional set up and able to hold our own with the Royal Navy”. Considerable comment is also given in various sections of the book on some of those areas where the author believes that National, SADF and/or SAN policies or procedures hindered the proper operational manning and deployment of these fine ships.

For the first time in a book on the SA Navy the full story of how the Navy became part of the so-called ‘Border War’ during Operation Savannah and what the President Class frigates achieved in that operation is told.

The main story of this book is not about the tragic loss of SAS President Kruger on 18 February 1982, however this important occurrence in the history of our Navy does get serious attention and the author does try to explain what happened, hopefully in terms that the non-naval reader will also understand. He also gives some reasonably detailed comment, especially on the official findings of the formal inquest into the death of one of her ship’s company as a result of that accident.

There are also many other happier stories from the time of their building in the UK, and on a number of diplomatic visits made by them to Argentina, Australia and Europe. Then there are visits to our own harbours and such incidents as entertaining ‘Snow White, the seven Dwarfs and some twenty chorus girls’ onboard the President Kruger, and other stories about the multitude of different characters who served in these beautiful ships over the years, some strange, some tragic, but mostly amusing.

The previous Chief of the Navy, Vice Admiral Johan Retief, whilst still in that post agreed to write a foreword for the book, and had the following comment on it:

" I found the draft compelling reading and, from my knowledge, an excellent history of a most important phase of the Navy’s history. There are clear lessons to be learnt, stretching from how to man ships properly to how to name ships. … … … It is essential that these lessons be retained for future generations as we move back into a large ship era. "
and
"Conclusion. To repeat myself, I think you have done remarkably well. I have read the draft for contents only and not for style, I am not qualified to do that. I presume that you are discussing the matter with an editor. I enjoyed that the fact that you interspersed the factual history with anecdotes, it keeps one interested. Well done. BZ"
Note: BZ, or Bravo Zulu phonetically, is ‘navalese’ for ‘Well done’ and was inked in by hand. It originates from the NATO book of two letter signal codes and means ‘Well done’.

I was wondering if you guys would be kind enough to include the Strike Craft aswell.

My father served on one (SAS Frederick Cresswel), and it would be awesome to have it in the game, especially as all the strike craft have been decomissioned, and are now sitting and rusting in Simonstown Docks.

Hi guys. first off. gr8 job!!

its nice to see that South Africa ( however small) is getting the limelight. :D can i suggest the rooivalk as an added extra that can be released. because the helicopter was only introduced in the 1990's. also the infantry need a machine gun... what machine gun are you guys going to add?


thanks guys. will post later if i can help.

im just a Arma player in SA... :)

I am making the FNMAG as a squad weapon and vehicle mounted LMG. After the Pumas are done I will complete the weapons pack.

that will work nicely.

other than the puma, ( which was not an attack chopper) what other helicopters have you planned to release?

@ Steele6

Hi and welcome to the forum

1.AS330 PUMA - FNMAG mounted on port side and capacity for 12 soldiers and 3 crew.

2. An uprated version of the PUMA named the ORYX in a CASAVAC/Search and Rescue configuration -Capacity 6 soldiers, 4 wounded, 2 crew. (Injured can heal at heli as well as arm and rearm).

3. Alouette III G-car light support (with 1 x FNMAG side mounted and 2000 X 7.62mm rounds)

4. Alouette III K-car 20mm gunship (with Ga1 cannon and 900 X 20mm AP and 900 X 20mm HP rounds)

5. Alouette III Stand of Missiles (with 2 X AS12 missiles)

6. Alouette III Standard Search and Rescue (transports 5 troops and 1 pilot)

7. Aerospatiale Super Frelon (Still to be confirmed)

Hope that this answers your question mate

South Africa did not use attack helicopters in the bushwar other than the specialy modified Alouette III K-car with the 20mm Ga1 cannon which was also used in the Ratel ICVs. A Puma was modified to carry AS12 Air to ground missiles but was never used operationaly. The common attack principles was aerial bombardment carried out by the Impala MKIIs and followed by helicopter Fireforce groups and ground Stopper units normaly 32 Btn coys and SAI infantry

Thanks :)

looks like you guys still got a lot of work to go. looking forward to the christmas release

hi, another question regarding the weapons pack, what sniper rifles are u going to include for both sides? i can presume the SVD for the OPFOR. but what about the SADF?

thanks

The R1 sniper version (FN-FAL 7,62mm) specialy adapted by the SADF with Various types of scopes and 10 round magazines. Was the standard sniper rifle used by SADF snipers.



There was also a version with Night sights. Bellow is the versions used by the SADF which have been phased out and have been replaced by the R4/R5 (South African Manufactured Galil 5.56mm)



I am including the above 3 versions with our weapons pack. Hope this answers your question

@steele6

Left and right views of early R1 with South African manufactured 'KKV' Gen2 NV sight fitted





This will not be included in the Weapons Pack

Gents,

as always I fully support the blokes when it comes to anything SADF.

A few things the Marine boats were known as Vredenburgers. They were addapted west coast fisihing boats They carried one marine patrol, armed with a single .50 Browning forward and most of the times had additional FNs mounted.

The Marines also used alot of other rigid hulled rubber duck type craft but those you will find in any harbour in SA.

On the strike craft. Gents the navy did not realy feature (jammer ou matroos) in the war. The Strike craft did take recces to strikes but that was basically it.

Lastly. Allthough the SADF did have sniper rifles they did not specifically train snipers. Alot of ous who claim to be snipers are nothing but a bunch of Kaptein Caprivis. Sniping was the domain of the Recces allthough it was a skill seldom used. The bok koppe got skietbalkies for expert marksmen.

Now my requests and suggestions.

Suggestions first.

Drop the T72 and T80. They were never used. We did face Cuban T62s during the figting around Techipa but the main armor threat was from T34s, T54s and T55s. Cuban and Fapla used the BRDM 2 as a recon platform and their APC fleet consisted of large numbers of BRDM 60s and smaller numbers of BTR 152s and BMP 1s. Infantry was mainly transported in either Ural or Engesa trucks.

You can add the ZSU 23/2 as a South African weapon as well as we used them with modified ammo as the Bosvark.

On the South African side you can drop the Eland 60. Apart from a small part in Op Savannah and being issued to the 5 series battalions they did not see much combat.

Requests.

Please add the Ystervark SPAAG, Ratel 81, Valkiri MRL (if possible. This weapon caused havoc among the Angolans and Cubans) and the British 5.5 inch Howitzer (allthough old this gun served up to 87/88 when the G5s taking part in in Modular/Hooper/Packer got so worn out and Armscor couldn't replace them due to Saddam's order), the Ratel ZT 3, M5 120mm mortar and the Milan.

South African kit also included the RPG 7V and the SAM 7B Strela.

For a real bush war experience add the Towers on the border which served as OPs. Some of them even had mortars and 40mm bofors mounted on top. ;)

Cheers